Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study

[Jackalope]

Way to shift the burden of proof.

1. Make unsubstantiated claim.
2. Offer the claim as proof.
3. Challenge others to disprove it.
4. Claim victory.

Way to go!

Response: Way to shift the burden of proof and pretend as if you didn't.

Ask for proof of something.

Proof that can be tested and verified is presented

Start to complain because you don't like the idea that by testing the evidence as required, it debunks your claim

Use a strawman that the burden of proof has been shifted

Way to go

I didn't ask for proof, nor have I made a claim.

I read your claims. Your claims consist entirely of unsupported assertions, are lacking evidence, and you ask those who don't believe them to disprove them.

Textbook shifting of burden of proof.

P.S. The Quran is not proof. It's part of the claim. So try again.

[Al-Fatihah]

Also, what does it mean to be 'against' the wants and beliefs of the people. I'm sure that everyday Germans didn't burn Jews for a pastime in the 40's, but Hitler still took over, didn't he?

Response: What exactly don't you undersatnd? Being against the wants of others means that you propagate what other don't want. Those who supported Hitler were in favor of what he preached before he preached it, not against it.

[Jackalope]

Godwinned! LOL

[Gooders1002]

And I thought Christians were stubborn. Have you ever thought the REASON why he was able to 'conquer' a nation was because he was made up precisely for that purpose, a Muslim Hercules or Achilles, and people just believed whatever they were told about him?
As for your Rebuttals there are repetitive, please think of something original.
If you Mohammed cam today to me with his massage, I would point him to the nearest mental heath clinic.

Response: The better question is, don't you realize that every time you dodge the challenge it only suports and confirms your denial to the fact that the challenge proves that you are wrong and the Qur'an is true? If the challenge was invalid, you can easily prove it by answering it. But instead, you duck and hide in the corner. Thus exposing the fact that the challenge proves that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah. Back in the corner you go.

What is this challenge you are referring to and it is hard to pick it out of all the bullshit. Want to state is a clear and unambiguous question? Or is that to difficult.

[Cyberman]

What is a gruntfuttock?

Hopefully a made-up word, it often cropped up on the radio show "Beyond Our Ken" and its sequel "Round The Horne" from the fifties and sixties, usually as a character name. Probably invented by Marty Feldman.

[Al-Fatihah]

I didn't ask for proof, nor have I made a claim.

I read your claims. Your claims consist entirely of unsupported assertions, are lacking evidence, and you ask those who don't believe them to disprove them.

Textbook shifting of burden of proof.

P.S. The Quran is not proof. It's part of the claim. So try again.

Response: to the contrary, the best of evidence is what can be tested and observed yourself. So asking for you to do just that is not shifting the burden, since you are being presented the best type of evidence, which is to do it yourself.

Thus the qur'an challenge proves that the qur'an is the true word of Allah, as the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.

[Gooders1002]

Whenever I see a wall of text a few pages down the thread, I google a passage:
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl...5hdYJO_ZQs

You've been busy, spreading the same piece of text everywhere and sticking to the same "I'm right, you can't prove me wrong, so I'm definitely right" speech.

For this sort of claims, there is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The religion that worships the FSM is called pastafarianism.
This is the symbol of this most mightiest of mightiests, most holiest of holies:


Pastafarianism is growing steadily and has various churches around the world.

As it says in the image above, if you can prove that your religion is right, these guys will stop believing in the FSM.
So, please do so!

Otherwise, your claim that "the qur'an is the true word of Allah" has an equal footing as the pastafarianists' claim that the FSM is "up there".

All hail his noodlieness, Ramen.

[Darkstar]

Response: What exactly don't you undersatnd? Being against the wants of others means that you propagate what other don't want. Those who supported Hitler were in favor of what he preached before he preached it, not against it.

So what you are telling me is that if a poll was taken in Germany in the time before Hitler came to power, most people would have answered 'yes' if asked whether or not they should commit genocide against Jewish people?

Many people will do anything they think a god told them to do, regardless of whether or not one actually did. Just because people thought it was a god doesn't mean it was. It would be much easier to decieve people back then because they had comparetively little knowledge.

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Thus the qur'an challenge proves that the qur'an is the true word of Allah, as the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it.

Uh, no. It isn't impossible if people think a god did it. It's just that people today are too educated to fall for it.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

What worries me is that you are not even able to understand atheist's logic, that's why you think you debunk everything while you are not. But qu'ran will say different, right?

[Al-Fatihah]

What is this challenge you are referring to and it is hard to pick it out of all the bullshit. Want to state is a clear and unambiguous question? Or is that to difficult.

Response: Truly entertaining. Afer ducking and dodging the challenge, you now wnat to pretend that you don't know what the challenge is. A drowning man clutching at straws I see.

The challenge is:

"It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

This is the miracle of Muhammad. For the challenge proves that it is humanly impossible to use any speech or literature that goes against the majority and is invented by a person/s, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation. The skeptic still disagrees? Then take the challenge and prove differently. Try using a speech or literature that does not agree with the likes of a majority of people that is an invention by a person/s. Then use that very same speech to inspire them to conquer a nation and see what happens. The challenge can even be simplified by asking a skeptic to just conquer the street that he or she lives on and see what happens. Yet the person will fail and fail miserably. No person will come close to achieving the challenge. Any individual, when taking the challenge, will have a first-hand eyewitness account from experience and observation that such an act is humanly impossible and that is when the person will learn the miracle of Muhammad. Why? The reason is because Muhammad used the Qur'an to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation in the same fashion. So if it is humanly impossible to use speech or literature that goes against the likes of the masses to inspire them to follow a person/s and conquer a nation, yet Muhammad used the Qur'an to do just that, then what does that mean? That means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagrees, then take the challenge and prove differently.