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Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
This kerrang challenge - is it anything like the Daz Doorstep Challenge? You know, getting housewives to compare it to their usual brand?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
It's not a hypothesis, sorry Al.
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(December 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:
(December 9, 2012 at 7:54 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I didn't ask for proof, nor have I made a claim.

I read your claims. Your claims consist entirely of unsupported assertions, are lacking evidence, and you ask those who don't believe them to disprove them.

Textbook shifting of burden of proof.

P.S. The Quran is not proof. It's part of the claim. So try again.

Response: to the contrary, the best of evidence is what can be tested and observed yourself. So asking for you to do just that is not shifting the burden, since you are being presented the best type of evidence, which is to do it yourself.

I agree with the bolded part. Problem is, you have presented none.

Stating that the Quran is perfect because I can't prove that is not is absolutely shifting the burden. YOU made the claim that it's perfect, it's up to YOU to prove it.

In terms of quality of apologetics, you might take a few clues from Christians. They're at least four centuries ahead of you, and their claims are laughable.
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(December 9, 2012 at 7:59 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So what you are telling me is that if a poll was taken in Germany in the time before Hitler came to power, most people would have answered 'yes' if asked whether or not they should commit genocide against Jewish people?

Many people will do anything they think a god told them to do, regardless of whether or not one actually did. Just because people thought it was a god doesn't mean it was. It would be much easier to decieve people back then because they had comparetively little knowledge.

Response: There's not a single piece of evidence anywhere that you can present that states that Hitler rose to power by inspiring people and saying that he would kill the jews. So your point is pointless.


(December 9, 2012 at 7:59 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Uh, no. It isn't impossible if people think a god did it. It's just that people today are too educated to fall for it.

Response: A statement backed by ....Nothing. thus proving nothing.

The qur'an challenge on the otherhand proves otherwise, as the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah.
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Please do not copy and paste that paragraph again. That is spamming.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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(December 9, 2012 at 8:04 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I agree with the bolded part. Problem is, you have presented none.

Stating that the Quran is perfect because I can't prove that is not is absolutely shifting the burden. YOU made the claim that it's perfect, it's up to YOU to prove it.

In terms of quality of apologetics, you might take a few clues from Christians. They're at least four centuries ahead of you, and their claims are laughable.

Response: To the contrary, the challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literatue that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered a nation? NO. Have you conquered the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah. Debunked as usual.

(December 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Please do not copy and paste that paragraph again. That is spamming.

Response: Not when it's my own words and it's requested.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
(December 9, 2012 at 8:01 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: "It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

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If they think it's god, they will be more likely to do it. You first have to get them to think it is from god.
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I know Al has an afterlife, but I surely don't. So I stop wasting my precious time of living on this brainwashed lunatic. Good luck Al, with the greatest of the greatest of the greatest of the greatest of the greatest etc.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
(December 9, 2012 at 8:09 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(December 9, 2012 at 8:01 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: "It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

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Response: Your weak rebuttal supports evidence to the contrary.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
(December 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote:
(December 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Please do not copy and paste that paragraph again. That is spamming.

Response: Not when it's my own words and it's requested.

Fail: Arguing with a mod about the rules. Keep it up, champ.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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