Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study

[Darkstar]

Uh, no. It isn't impossible if people think a god did it. It's just that people today are too educated to fall for it.

Response: A statement backed by ....Nothing. thus proving nothing.

Fine then, I challenge you to trick people into thinking you are delivering them a message from god. Let's see how that works out for you.

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Response: Your weak rebuttal supports evidence to the contrary.

I already dismantled that. Which is why I didn't repost my reasons. Read my edited post...though that would still be the second time.

[Al-Fatihah]

Fail: Arguing with a mod about the rules. Keep it up, champ.

Response: Who said there was an argument? But that's the difference between me and you. Your logic is to kiss up to conform. I on the other hand don't feel any pressure to conform from what I believe and take whatever repercussions that follow.

[Creed of Heresy]

The qur'an challenge on the otherhand proves otherwise, as the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah.

Are you not aware of Hitler, sir? Or, say, Karl Marx? Both of them used nothing more than human speech to inspire them to, in Hitler's case, conquer not just a nation, but a plurality of nations and almost the entire European continent. And Karl Marx's literature inspired the socialist movement which later evolved into the communist movement which became a multi-nation bloc of allied powers that rivaled even the US and did so for decades until cultural and economic stagnation caused by impotent, weak, brainless leaders and extensive corruption caused by the bastardization of Marx's system of economics and governance led to their downfall.

For that matter, the American Revolution, which inspired the colonists of America to take control of their own nation, was also inspired not by any holy book but rather by actions, words, and literature.

The quran challenge...pfah. You call that a challenge? Beating Contra was a challenge. Eating a spoonful of cinnamon powder, that's a challenge.

This is more like the quran half-assing. Or the quran beginner's-mode. Or the quran cheat-codes-enabled.

[Al-Fatihah]

Fine then, I challenge you to trick people into thinking you are delivering them a message from god. Let's see how that works out for you.

Response: It won't work. That's the whole point.

I already dismantled that. Which is why I didn't repost my reasons. Read my edited post...though that would still be the second time.

Response: And your alleged rebuttal was refuted and debunked, supported by the fact that you've conquered not even the street you live on, as the challenge requires.

[Darkstar]

Your logic is to kiss up to conform. I on the other hand don't feel any pressure to conform from what I believe and take whatever repercussions that follow.

If we wanted to conform so badly, we'd all be theists!

[Creed of Heresy]

Fail: Arguing with a mod about the rules. Keep it up, champ.

Response: Who said there was an argument? But that's the difference between me and you. Your logic is to kiss up to conform. I on the other hand don't feel any pressure to conform from what I believe and take whatever repercussions that follow.

*snickers* Your logic is to bend over in a position not unlike a prostitute about to take it in the ass, for a god you've never seen. Kissing up is a lot better than assuming the position for a back-door-invasion, at least.

[Gooders1002]

What is this challenge you are referring to and it is hard to pick it out of all the bullshit. Want to state is a clear and unambiguous question? Or is that to difficult.

Response: Truly entertaining. Afer ducking and dodging the challenge, you now wnat to pretend that you don't know what the challenge is. A drowning man clutching at straws I see.

The challenge is:

"It is humanly impossible for a person/s to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using humanmande speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people."

This is the miracle of Muhammad. For the challenge proves that it is humanly impossible to use any speech or literature that goes against the majority and is invented by a person/s, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation. The skeptic still disagrees? Then take the challenge and prove differently. Try using a speech or literature that does not agree with the likes of a majority of people that is an invention by a person/s. Then use that very same speech to inspire them to conquer a nation and see what happens. The challenge can even be simplified by asking a skeptic to just conquer the street that he or she lives on and see what happens. Yet the person will fail and fail miserably. No person will come close to achieving the challenge. Any individual, when taking the challenge, will have a first-hand eyewitness account from experience and observation that such an act is humanly impossible and that is when the person will learn the miracle of Muhammad. Why? The reason is because Muhammad used the Qur'an to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation in the same fashion. So if it is humanly impossible to use speech or literature that goes against the likes of the masses to inspire them to follow a person/s and conquer a nation, yet Muhammad used the Qur'an to do just that, then what does that mean? That means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used is not the invention of any human but must come from a higher power and authority greater than humans, and that is Allah. Do the skeptics still disagree? Then take the challenge and prove differently. When the challengers fail, because they will, this will help to demonstrate that the Qur’an is of divine origin as proven by the scientific method itself because it provides a hands-on eyewitness account that producing something like the Qur’an is humanly impossible. If you read this, and you yourself disagrees, then take the challenge and prove differently.

Nope its not humanly impossible to inspire enough people to follow him/her to conquer a nation by using human made speech/literature that goes against the likes and beliefs of those people.
You just have to have a silver tough and have a gullible enough audience and they will follow you like sheep, its about mind manipulation and you can get almost anybody to believe anything Pen and Teller/Darren Brown do it often, as well as con men as a species we are incredibly gullible and the less intelligent you are the most gullible you are.
Why do you think religion focus on the kids, it's mental manipulation and you were manipulated to be closed minded from the day you could understand words, also less intelligent people back than are a lot easier to manipulate on mass. Hitler was great at manipulation as is all dictators. If Mohammed existed he probably was a great con man (with willing/unknowing accomplices who were literate) because he was also a merchant and there good with silver tongues in Arab countries.

[Darkstar]

Fine then, I challenge you to trick people into thinking you are delivering them a message from god. Let's see how that works out for you.

Response: It won't work. That's the whole point.

Not in today's world.

I already dismantled that. Which is why I didn't repost my reasons. Read my edited post...though that would still be the second time.

Response: And your alleged rebuttal was refuted and debunked, supported by the fact that you've conquered not even the street you live on, as the challenge requires.

Because I personally haven't done it means it is impossible?
BTW: you still haven't disproven Jesus. Some of his views weren't popular at the time, but people came to accept them, and even wage war in his name (which is really ironic, considering he was a pacifist).

[Cyberman]

Response: Who said there was an argument? But that's the difference between me and you. Your logic is to kiss up to conform. I on the other hand don't feel any pressure to conform from what I believe and take whatever repercussions that follow.

This particular meme makes my teeth cringe, but:

Logic... you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

(Ow.)

[Al-Fatihah]

Are you not aware of Hitler, sir? Or, say, Karl Marx? Both of them used nothing more than human speech to inspire them to, in Hitler's case, conquer not just a nation, but a plurality of nations and almost the entire European continent. And Karl Marx's literature inspired the socialist movement which later evolved into the communist movement which became a multi-nation bloc of allied powers that rivaled even the US and did so for decades until cultural and economic stagnation caused by impotent, weak, brainless leaders and extensive corruption caused by the bastardization of Marx's system of economics and governance led to their downfall.

For that matter, the American Revolution, which inspired the colonists of America to take control of their own nation, was also inspired not by any holy book but rather by actions, words, and literature.

The quran challenge...pfah. You call that a challenge? Beating Contra was a challenge. Eating a spoonful of cinnamon powder, that's a challenge.

This is more like the quran half-assing. Or the quran beginner's-mode. Or the quran cheat-codes-enabled.

Response: And if asked of what proof you have that Hitler or any of the people answered the challenge, your answer is "because a book says so", which any reasonable person can see is not proof. For saying so is not proof that it is so.

Furthermore, such evidence is hearssay, while the Qur'an challenge relies on a hands-on eyewitness account as evidence, , because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah.

A hands-on eyewitness account is more credible than hearsay. Thus your argument fails.

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This particular meme makes my teeth cringe, but:

Logic... you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

(Ow.)

Response: Likewise.

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If we wanted to conform so badly, we'd all be theists!

Response: Not on an atheist forum.