Possible Motive Emerges In The Connecticut Shooting

[Shell B]

Because he is fucking nuts.

How do you know that? Because his mother, who obviously blogs for personal attention, as all the comments on her personal blog are from people she knows, until she got this unwarranted attention said so?

You know, I have to laugh. Whenever something happens someone always says "where are the parents?"

No. In this case, I know exactly where his mom is -- on the internet griping about his dad and calling her son a mass murderer, despite the fact that he has never actually assaulted anyone. He is thirteen fucking years old.

Well here is a parent sounding the alarm and everyone wants to jump down her throat for being a lousy mother.

Oh, I didn't realize that telling the entire fucking world that her kid is sick is sounding the alarm. Maybe she should talk to people who can help (not dragging him to the fucking mental institution for *saying* he was going to jump out of the car instead of pulling over and talking to him) or even try telling him that she can help him instead of griping about how he doesn't keep his promise to get better. Stupid cunt.

Make up your fucking minds people.

I did.

At that time there were only single shot muzzle loading weapons. The most dangerous weapon we had was a 12-lb artillery piece. Please don't try to tell me that the FF mystically envisioned the Industrial Revolution and tanks, planes and M-16s.

So, because they didn't envision it, they were strictly excluding it? I'm just trying to understand why some people say they meant all firearms and some say they only meant muskets when they said neither explicitly. I would love to see one quote, but no one ever has one.

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Me too.

And while I'm waiting, how about a bit of good old-fashioned water cooler chat between a few concerned humans who communicate via the internet?

Thats what youre doing in real life isnt it?

Imagine if I told my wife... nope, sorry. I dont want to discuss it with you until I get more facts from the police and authorities.

A guy over at Reasonable Faith Forum was saying - lets not get into any heavy social/political discussion about it - it's too tragic, we dont have all the facts, these are peoples children, dont use this as the basis of a...call to action, pro/anti, I told you so, type argument.

It seems to me that we already have the facts. And that we OUGHT to be discussing it precisely because they ARE someones children.

Look I didn`t mean that there shouldnt be any discusions.

BUT!

First thing I noticed monday and tuesday and today in the morning where newspaper and weekjournal headlineslike:

Psychokiller, Psycho this and psycho that.

And worst of all, I read in one weird article, "that because he shot himself, he was aware of the consequences of his actions, and therefor not criminaly insane."

And I am sick of it, and sick of this kind of portrait of the offender.
As soon as there is a massacre like this or any other crime in which a mentaly unhealthy person is involved, every single newspaper journalist and a enormous load of bloggers suddently turn into experts on psychology.

I dont know his medical record, all I know, and probably what most of the public knows, are rumors about what his mother told her friend about her son - which is not enought to draw reasonable conclusions - certainly not for non professionals.

This doesn`t mean that one cannot debate on the basis of assumptions.
But one cannot draw any factual conclusions.

[Tiberius]

I didn't equate everyone with mental issues into the same camp.

You didn't, but the person writing the article did. Making a massive assumption about her kid because he says that he'll kill or hurt her, despite the fact that most of these killers don't display any warning signs like that, and aren't generally known to be mentally ill.

Nor did I have trouble understanding that not every mass murder spree is the result of psychosis. She wrote it to say that there are people with violent tendencies who need help and aren't getting it.

Right, and if she actually said that and left it at that, it would be fine. She went further, insinuating that her own son was a person likely to commit such an atrocity. Either she is an idiot who doesn't know the facts and is spreading malicious untruths about mentally disabled people, or she used the title to try and gain attention, and is not profiteering off of her son's mental illness. Either way, she's a despicable human being.

Isn't a call to have more help and understanding about these things addressing this issue?

There is a difference between calling for more help and understanding, and calling for more help and understanding whilst spreading misinformation about mental illness, all at the expense of your own son. You can have all the good intentions in the world, but if you screw up the delivery of the message, you are just an ass.

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Um...

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books.

This kid is a ticking bomb, Tibs. He's 13. What will he be like when he's 18 or 20?

You know how many times Adam Lanza pulled a gun or a knife on his mother? Or Dylan Klebold? Probably none at all before they committed their atrocities. The big difference in this case is that the kid is being seen by doctors; they know about his condition, and eventually they will find out what it is and be able to prescribe him medicine to help.

Sorry Min, but pulling a knife on someone and threatening to kill them and/or themselves does not a mass murderer make. Unless you have any evidence to show a correlation between this type of behaviour and the people who commit school shootings, your comment about being a ticking time bomb is simply baseless.

There is probably a natural human tendency for a parent to try to shrug off the behavior of an abusive child but the author of this piece is not one of them. She is confronting the reality of her own kid and that takes some guts.

It's great that she's getting him help...that was never the issue. The issue was that she isn't confronting the reality of her own kid; she's making one up for him, whether it is a delusional thinking on her own part, or (more likely) an attempt to get views for her blog. It doesn't take guts to sell your kid out like that...it takes a lack of a heart.

[Brian37]

Saying someone has a couple screws loose does not mean they are evil because they do horrible things. No one on the right wants to see reality for what it is. A person with mental issues got a hold of a weapon. This woman, no matter how much she did not deserve to be murdered herself, was ill equipped to be caring for a mentally handicap person, ESPECIALLY having weapons in the house.

This is not the first time, and not even with an assault military stile riffle, that a person went into a grade school and shot people. Back in the late 80s a mentally ill woman took 3 pistols into a grade school, shot and injured several and one of those kids died. She fled and went into a nearby house and shot a 20 year old man, who survived, but then turned the gun on herself and killed herself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

I think the definition of "sane" vs "mentally ill" needs to change. I think you can be mentally ill and still know right from wrong.

But regardless, there never seems to be a "right time" to discuss the amount of gun death in all it's forms. I am sick of not doing anything at all about it. I hear about gun death every day in the news no matter how it happens, but when kids get killed, I say fuck not talking about it, we damned sure need to address the problem.

[Jaysyn]

Don't get me wrong, I am pro gun control, but I am astonished at how it is the only issue people seem to be concerned about. We need to have a discussion on the national level about mental health issues and bullying, too. Focusing only on the guns is simply starting the path to the next tragedy.

It's called opportunism & *everyone* with an agenda is guilty of it at one point or another. Now it's the Left's turn.

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...yet nobody's jumping on their political soap box to regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol which is a far greater killer of people....

Cause we already tried that & it made things much, much worse?

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No. In this case, I know exactly where his mom is -- on the internet griping about his dad and calling her son a mass murderer, despite the fact that he has never actually assaulted anyone. He is thirteen fucking years old.

Just picking a nit. If the kid actually pulled a knife on her, then technically he did assault her. Dumbass should have called the cops right then & there.

This would have never happened in my house because I know I would have been beaten to the point I couldn't have held a knife for a week. Was I abused as a kid? Not even in the least, I just understood what boundaries were & didn't go near them.

[Shell B]

Just picking a nit. If the kid actually pulled a knife on her, then technically he did assault her. Dumbass should have called the cops right then & there.

Sorry, but brandishing a knife and threatening someone is not assault. Assaulting someone is assault. The cops would have shown up and taken the kid in, but only if mom wanted to press charges. The problem here is that she makes it clear that such things happen often (and he has never actually done anything, so he's an attention whore like his mom) and yet he still has access to the knives in the house. Is this bitch retarded? You have a kid that goes a little bonkers. Lock up the fracking knives, dumbass.

This would have never happened in my house because I know I would have been beaten to the point I couldn't have held a knife for a week. Was I abused as a kid? Not even in the least, I just understood what boundaries were & didn't go near them.

I'll be perfectly honest here. I lived in a household where at least one of the five kids was regularly just like this kid. More than one of us was violent with each other and had adjustment problems. Alcoholic mom, dad worked all the time, etc. Guess how many of us have even been so much as arrested for assault? None. Each and every one of us has reached adulthood and managed not to go on a killing spree. It's pure fucking idiocy to assume that every troubled kid grows up to be an adult troubled enough to become a mass murderer. Why so many people can read this article and be completely oblivious of that fact is beyond me. It's so obvious. Maybe you have to be around enough kids like this to know that they aren't necessarily evil. His mom may very well have taught him this behavior.

Seriously, people. Read this woman's blog.

[A Theist]

Don't get me wrong, I am pro gun control, but I am astonished at how it is the only issue people seem to be concerned about. We need to have a discussion on the national level about mental health issues and bullying, too. Focusing only on the guns is simply starting the path to the next tragedy.

It's called opportunism & *everyone* with an agenda is guilty of it at one point or another. Now it's the Left's turn.

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...yet nobody's jumping on their political soap box to regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol which is a far greater killer of people....

Cause we already tried that & it made things much, much worse?

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No. In this case, I know exactly where his mom is -- on the internet griping about his dad and calling her son a mass murderer, despite the fact that he has never actually assaulted anyone. He is thirteen fucking years old.

Just picking a nit. If the kid actually pulled a knife on her, then technically he did assault her. Dumbass should have called the cops right then & there.

This would have never happened in my house because I know I would have been beaten to the point I couldn't have held a knife for a week. Was I abused as a kid? Not even in the least, I just understood what boundaries were & didn't go near them.

"Cause we already tried that & it made things much, much worse?"....no...not prohibition...I was only talking about regulating the sale and purchase of it....the left and other gun-control fanatics will take every advantage of a gun related tragedy to jump on their soapboxes and scream about more gun control legislation....the number of gun related deaths each year pale in comparison to the annual number of alcohol related deaths...alcohol is responsible for killing more people per year than all the deaths by guns and drugs combined...if this is all about saving lives then why isn't the left jumping on their political soapboxes to regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol like they harp about more gun control legislation?

[Brian37]

"Cause we already tried that & it made things much, much worse?"....no...not prohibition...I was only talking about regulating the sale and purchase of it....the left and other gun-control fanatics will take every advantage of a gun related tragedy to jump on their soapboxes and scream about more gun control legislation....the number of gun related deaths each year pale in comparison to the annual number of alcohol related deaths.

So? Once again "we have other problems too" fuck you. Yea, so? Who the fuck said we shouldn't address that too? This is just another fucking distraction to excuse doing nothing.

[Violet]

Shooting sprees are for uncreative people. If you really want to fuck a shitload of people up: poison, explosives, and a dagger. Getting a horrid illness and spreading it as much as possible is even better

Not a psychopath, just an angry attention whore with access to a decent weapon.

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So? Once again "we have other problems too" fuck you. Yea, so? Who the fuck said we shouldn't address that too? This is just another fucking distraction to excuse doing nothing.

It's culturally ingrained, it's an enjoyable thing to do, and it's already quite regulated as far as drugs go: we're doing plenty about alcohol.

The rest is on the user.

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if this is all about saving lives then why isn't the left jumping on their political soapboxes to regulate the selling and purchasing of alcohol like they harp about more gun control legislation?

It's not about saving lives. It's about image Don't kid yourself thinking that all deaths are seen in the same light.

Alcohol usually uses the word 'manslaughter' and is associated with 'accident'. Mass butchery uses the word 'murder' and is associated with 'intended'

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what do you people think of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uO1gTYSs-Q