Was the arab peninsular once ruled by a christian kingdom?

[Polaris]

He seems to know a shitload more than you.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html

The Roman Empire lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted Christians for fewer than twelve of them. The 'Christian Empire' also lasted more than a thousand years and persecuted non-Christians through all of them.

Until the early years of the 2nd century, Roman administrators were ignorant of the existence of the Christians. For a generation that followed they remained indifferent to this obscure 'Jewish' sect (and its many different factions) but, in time, this indifference gave way to contempt and then irritation.

The still marginal but growing numbers of Christians turned the misfortunes of the Roman world to their advantage. The radicals directed their energies towards frightened widows and abandoned children, towards the slave and criminal classes. Every defeat in battle, every pestilence and natural calamity, was seized upon as evidence of divine censure and retribution. With zeal and anticipation, the Christians predicted further ruin and desolation. Among the feckless peoples of the great cities, the fear of imminent judgement and the threat of eternal torment were spread like a contagion. Only by submission to Christ could the individual hope for salvation. "Babylon" would surely fall and most of humanity would perish.

Yet it was only when the empire was itself in peril that the Roman state acted violently against the enthusiasts of Christ, and only then because the obstinate prejudices of the zealots undermined desperate measures taken to defend Roman civilization.

Dare to learn, jesus-freak. Try not to be satisfied with the lies you have had shoved up your ass since birth.

Using your retarded atheist sites again I see. That's like a Christian using the Bible as proof of the absolute existence of God.

I know you don't have a track record of adhering to academic sources, but you could at least try to do so.

Guess the author forgot the persecutions of Christians started at the hands of the Jews. Also 12 years? Yeah. Have that guy come to a history class. He will have his ass laughed out like a Creationist at a science conference.

Seriously. For how you particular atheists praise academic reason, you hardly stick by it. You fuckers remind me of the Republicans who say we should stick to Christian values and deny the rights of others that don't fit their particular views yet have affairs with multiple partners. Atheism would gain a great foothold if you would do some research before making comments....why should we become atheists if you guys can't even be more open to academia than the religious folk we meet? If you don't have reason, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

[Justtristo]

He seems to know a shitload more than you.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/persecutions.html



Dare to learn, jesus-freak. Try not to be satisfied with the lies you have had shoved up your ass since birth.

Using your retarded atheist sites again I see. That's like a Christian using the Bible as proof of the absolute existence of God.

I know you don't have a track record of adhering to academic sources, but you could at least try to do so.

Guess the author forgot the persecutions of Christians started at the hands of the Jews. Also 12 years? Yeah. Have that guy come to a history class. He will have his ass laughed out like a Creationist at a science conference.

Seriously. For how you particular atheists praise academic reason, you hardly stick by it. You fuckers remind me of the Republicans who say we should stick to Christian values and deny the rights of others that don't fit their particular views yet have affairs with multiple partners. Atheism would gain a great foothold if you would do some research before making comments....why should we become atheists if you guys can't even be more open to academia than the religious folk we meet? If you don't have reason, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

If you have bothered to read through that website, it is not retarded at the very least. Ken Humpreys has researched quite extensively into the subject matter, before arguing his positions.

[downbeatplumb]

Remember that the people who persecuted the christians were true believers of other gods.
So it is best to view it as religious in fighting.
Us atheists had nothing to do with it.

[Minimalist]

Using your retarded atheist sites again I see.

You don't expect a jesus freak site to tell you the truth, do you? Trust me on this, asshole. You are never going to get any information detrimental to your stupid fairy tales at Isuckedjesus'cock.com. They have a vested interest in keeping idiots like you in the dark.

Sorry, but you are going to have to read things that aren't written by other jesus freak assholes if you want to learn anything.

But you don't, so you won't. You are happy in your ignorance.

The rest of us however have moved on.

Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass.

[Polaris]

Using your retarded atheist sites again I see.

You don't expect a jesus freak site to tell you the truth, do you? Trust me on this, asshole. You are never going to get any information detrimental to your stupid fairy tales at Isuckedjesus'cock.com. They have a vested interest in keeping idiots like you in the dark.

Sorry, but you are going to have to read things that aren't written by other jesus freak assholes if you want to learn anything.

But you don't, so you won't. You are happy in your ignorance.

The rest of us however have moved on.

Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass.

Are you going to act like a complete wuss every-time I question your lack of academic credibility?

Sorry, but Eric Cline is who I actually paid attention to, not people who half-ass their research.

[CapnAwesome]

Christians believe they are persecuted as a matter of doctrine. I've just come to believe that they have a different definition of persecution than the rest of us. I mean Christians today will talk about being persecuted in the United States, even though from the best of what I can tell it just means they aren't allowed to forcibly shove their bullshit in everybody's faces 24 hours a day. Get over the persecution complex. Christians have persecuted many hundreds of thousands of times the people as they have been persecuted.

As for Christianity in the Arab peninsula, I'm sure there was some. Ethiopia and Egypt were both Christian states prior to Islam, but I don't see the link as credible evidence for a whole Christian state. The things that are discovered seem to mean that there was a Christian community of some kind. But that's not surprising as the Arab peninsula was fairly religiously tolerant before Islam.

[Minimalist]

You don't expect a jesus freak site to tell you the truth, do you? Trust me on this, asshole. You are never going to get any information detrimental to your stupid fairy tales at Isuckedjesus'cock.com. They have a vested interest in keeping idiots like you in the dark.

Sorry, but you are going to have to read things that aren't written by other jesus freak assholes if you want to learn anything.

But you don't, so you won't. You are happy in your ignorance.

The rest of us however have moved on.

Go Blow Jesus Out Your Ass.

Are you going to act like a complete wuss every-time I question your lack of academic credibility?

Sorry, but Eric Cline is who I actually paid attention to, not people who half-ass their research.

Ask Eric what his evidence for fucking jesus is. It won't be any different than Ehrman's. There is no contemporary evidence for any crucified jew coming back from the dead.

[Polaris]

Are you going to act like a complete wuss every-time I question your lack of academic credibility?

Sorry, but Eric Cline is who I actually paid attention to, not people who half-ass their research.

Ask Eric what his evidence for fucking jesus is. It won't be any different than Ehrman's. There is no contemporary evidence for any crucified jew coming back from the dead.

Sorry. Eric does not make up evidence to prove a point. When he believes in a theory of say Israelite origin where there is little to no evidence, he points that out.

[Minimalist]

As opposed to 200 years of excavation in Egypt and Israel which shows that the OT is horseshit. There is no evidence for its fables.

Cline is not the problem here. I saw him in a special where he called the Exodus story a load of shit. The problem is YOU and your desperate need to think fiction is real.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Might be interesting for those who are interested in history and the history of religion.

This article is about a recent find in Yemen:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...74048.html

So much nonsense, so little time. First off the idea of the Arabian Peninsula meaning anything in ancient times is total BS. That today Saudi exists is a modern accident. In ancient times there were only two areas of interest the eastern coast aligned with India and Persia and the western coast which was also the eastern coast of the Red Sea. They were entirely separate regions. I don't know if it is just me or the entire world that is ignorant of the eastern coast but the Red Sea Adjacent part is reasonably well known. It is known from ancient Egypt, Greek and Roman references but so far as I can find no one in the field has written any definitive material on the subject.

Yemen for example was the source of extremely valuable funerary spices. I have come across one reference saying it was ruled by the Old Kingdom of Egypt which was back before there was anything of interest in the Mediterranean. There was a partial canal from the Red Sea inland to the Nile and that was the focus of the kingdom. As late as Mohamed this is a Koran reference to some of his followers escaping to Egypt where they were sheltered showing the relationship persisted for thousands of years. One could look at the Red Sea as a miniature Mediterranean with constant trade relationships.

The wealth of Yemen got it its freedom. Egypt, Greece and Rome all tried to conquer it more than once but the attempts failed around the region of Mecca and Medina the region of the people profiting from transporting the spices. This is exactly Mohamed territory, strongly influenced by trade wealth. The region was wealthy enough to stay free. The region lost its influence with Christianity and simple funerals decimated its wealth.

You can insert a lot more here. Google up Arabia Felix, Arabia Petra and Arabia Deserta for more on the ancient view of geography. The idea of calling it a peninsula today is only barely technically correct. The political layout of Saudi today, other than Riyadh, is split into the two coasts.