Death penalty for rapists?

[popeyespappy]

I am not opposed to the death penalty in general although it should be reserved for only the most extreme cases and be very rare. I don't object to its application in some cases of rape. My preferred punishment (for males, Moros) for most instances of rape would be to have the offender's testicles placed on an anvil so the victim (or their appointed representative) could then smash them into jelly with a hammer. No sedatives until after the fact…

[Something completely different]

The various proposals here, in which people ask for the mutilation and torture of the offender, I find can only be rejected and to me shows why death penalty has to be rejected.

The laws and punishment of a nation justice system should not be decided in the name of the emotional reactions of the individual to serve that individuals needs for revenge.
The laws and punishment of a nations justice system should be desined to represent the comunity and to treat each member of the comunity equaly.

We have "Sicherheitsverwahrung" in Germany. If a offender is found to dangerous to be released into the public then a judge can order him to be detained for a unlimited period of time.
Sexoffenders who are released here spend the rest of their life under police surveilance.
To argue that this is a waste of taxmoney is repulsive, since it implies that one can set a financial value on a human life.
No matter how repulsive a offenders crime might have been, one shouldn`t set a value on that offenders life.

Primeraly, I believe and am a advocate for crime prevention.
I do believe that when one talks about the punishment for an offender who has commited a crime, that it is already to late to prohibit that crime and that by simply only punishing that offender and not giving any attention to the circumstances which lead to the crime being commited - one doesn`t do anything to prevent further such crimes to be commited.
The reasons why crimes are commited are to be found out and methods to prevent the crimes from happening are to be researched and put in place - which is, in my opinion, where the states main attention on the subject of crime fighting should be put.

[popeyespappy]

Steven Thompson was executed in Alabama’s electric chair in May 1998 for the 1984 rape and murder of Robin Balarzs. The prosecutor at Steve’s trial described Robin’s killing as extraordinarily chilling in its savagery and prolonged infliction of agony. She was brutally beaten, bound and gagged, raped and stabbed before being dragged behind a car for 3000 feet.

I went to high school with Robin and Steve and knew them both. Robin was 3 years older than me so I only knew her in passing. Steve was just a year behind me though, and I knew him fairly well. I knew him well enough to know that he was a crazy dangerous son of a bitch.

The really sad part about Robin’s death was it could have been prevented. She wasn’t the first woman Steve raped. He had previously raped another classmate of ours in 1981. He beat, raped and left her tied naked to a tree. I have no reason to doubt that given the opportunity Steve would have done something similar again, and of am the opinion that the world is a better place without him in it.

[KichigaiNeko]

Sometimes, in some instances the death penalty may be needed to be invoked just to get a little sanity.

Right now, vicious rape murder and torture go unpunished by males regarding males and seems to quietly support the abuse of women.

Whether it is a "knee-jerk" reaction as you say Moros or more like 2000 years of abusive behaviour towards women I really cannot say.

[Aractus]

Germans dear friend, for once you are making total coherent sense!

The various proposals here, in which people ask for the mutilation and torture of the offender, I find can only be rejected and to me shows why death penalty has to be rejected.

I find it totally distasteful that anyone would condone torture, especially as it's an international crime that has no justification (as I've pointed out before). You may claim that raping someone is torturing them - well you cannot repay torture with torture it breaches international law.

The laws and punishment of a nation justice system should not be decided in the name of the emotional reactions of the individual to serve that individuals needs for revenge.

Yes, 100%.

The laws and punishment of a nations justice system should be desined to represent the comunity and to treat each member of the comunity equaly.

Yes, 100%.

We have "Sicherheitsverwahrung" in Germany. If a offender is found to dangerous to be released into the public then a judge can order him to be detained for a unlimited period of time.

That's an abuse of power. The USA does that as well. It breaches double-jeopardy - a person cannot be tried for the same crime twice. Extending sentences is scandalous in my opinion.

Sexoffenders who are released here spend the rest of their life under police surveilance.
To argue that this is a waste of taxmoney is repulsive, since it implies that one can set a financial value on a human life.
No matter how repulsive a offenders crime might have been, one shouldn`t set a value on that offenders life.

Are you serious? You don't see a problem with that?

If a person has paid their debt to society - in full - and been released, why should they be under perpetual state surveillance?

Thanks again Germans for a refreshing well-balanced reply!

[KichigaiNeko]

But THIS is ok by you fellows??

[Christian]

I am against death penalty for many reasons, probably leftist, but I wish there was a hell for them.

There is...

[Aractus]

Steven Thompson was executed in Alabama’s electric chair in May 1998 for the 1984 rape and murder of Robin Balarzs. The prosecutor at Steve’s trial described Robin’s killing as extraordinarily chilling in its savagery and prolonged infliction of agony. She was brutally beaten, bound and gagged, raped and stabbed before being dragged behind a car for 3000 feet.

I went to high school with Robin and Steve and knew them both. Robin was 3 years older than me so I only knew her in passing. Steve was just a year behind me though, and I knew him fairly well. I knew him well enough to know that he was a crazy dangerous son of a bitch.

The really sad part about Robin’s death was it could have been prevented. She wasn’t the first woman Steve raped. He had previously raped another classmate of ours in 1981. He beat, raped and left her tied naked to a tree. I have no reason to doubt that given the opportunity Steve would have done something similar again, and of am the opinion that the world is a better place without him in it.

Ok Pep (popeyespappy) let's get this straight.

If you sad to me - Aractus, I beat and raped a woman once, and left her tied to a tree. I was high on drugs, desperate, depressed, alone, suicidal and had nothing to live for. Aractus, you should condemn me, look down on me, hate me, see pure evil in my eyes; even though that was a long time ago and I'd like to change, and move on with my life now.

You know what I would say to you if you said all that to me? "I don't give a shit mate". Your crimes, other people's crimes, are none of my fucking concern. I wouldn't say to you "the world would be a better place without you" - fuck get over it mate, you're talking about ONE person who raped and murdered ONE other person, in the grand scheme of things it's inconsequential. The world would be a better place? It'd make no fucking difference whatsoever to the world, not even in the slightest, stop being so melodramatic about it and face up to the facts. The world goes on.

Now, here's the thing. I don't give a fucking shit what skeleton's people have in their past, if they've paid their debt to society why should it be any of my concern? Why should I condemn them for something they've already been condemned for? What's that you ask? What if they abuse their "Nth chance" at life? Simple: not my problem. I'm not going to take away their chance because they "might" abuse it.

You want to do something about it, then get off your armchair and do something to help rehabilitate hardened criminals back into society, but don't come and complain that they're not rehabilitated if you've chosen to sit, criticize, and do nothing to solve the problem.

[KichigaiNeko]

Admirable sentiments Daniel .... unfortunately for SOME there is no rehabilitation

[Aractus]

Perhaps you'd like to be a vigilante then?