Putting God to the Test

[Fidel_Castronaut]

This line of thinking might have meant something for me, except that I used to be a Christian and I was as sincere as fuck when I prayed. All I wanted was a little comfort, but in the end, I got more of that from a teddy bear than any god.

I am sorry to hear this. I hope that you find your way back to God, as he really does have your best interests in mind.

Please don't do that. I can't speak for Tara, but I'm fairly sure she won't appreciate you telling her what you think her best interests are.

My life at times, even as a Christian was full of deep sorrow. As an example I could never find a wife, I had some girlfriends but they would always end up dumping me and leaving me heart broken. I felt like God just did not care. One a few occasions I even sinned against God due to the fear, and sorrow. However God was gracious, and told me a person I could marry, the person actually ended up marrying me, and we have a very good relationship. So all my years of sorrow were taken away by God. Like that verse says, if we don't give up eventually we will get the answer to our prayers.

I'm glad that you are happy and have a wife. However, as there is no empirical evidence that prayer does anything (in fact, there are numerous studies that show prayer is at best a placebo), I think you are giving poor advice on how to deal with a given situation.

"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

[FutureAndAHope]

[Cato]

What a load of shit. What possible reason would your sorry excuse for a god have for not answering the prayers of young boys taking it in the ass from his emissaries?

[Mister Agenda]

FutureandHope, I've promised God in prayer that if the right person says the right words to me, that I'll do my best to convince myself of his existence (pray hard, attend church weekly, bible study, and so forth). I have intentionally set the bar low, but not super low, the words I want to hear would be out of character for the person I have in mind. I know that if there's a God, despite some verses in the NT about receiving what you ask for, he plays it close to the vest when it comes to granting prayers. The person is in their seventies, so there's a clock ticking.

Here's the thing. You can get the same results praying to Jo's teddy bear that you get from God. Sometimes you get what you pray for. That's how the teddy bear says yes. Sometimes you don't get what you prayed for. That's how the teddy bear says no.

There's a reason those Christian doctors aren't making the medical journals. Praying to the teddy bear will get you a certain percentage of recoveries and spontaneous remissions too, but the teddy can't restore amputated limbs.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Prayer has worked for me on numerous occassions. See http://www.futureandahope.net for the recorded examples. As for placebo studies, you can't just get together a group of Christians and get them pray. This might sound boastful, but most Christians don't have the gift of healing, and many Christian people respected by community have little respect by God. Many mainstream faiths are full of powerless Christians with sin in their lives. God only allows the sinless, and faithful to perform miracles, and there are few Christians who fit that bill. I don't mind the idea of a study, but I would be very selective in who I chose to take part. There are plenty of examples of divine healing recorded see http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/divine_case_e.asp it records cases of divine healing. Just becasue a few studies have shown prayer to be ineffective does not mean prayer does not work, the way the studies are set up are flawed. Every christian probably believes God can heal, but only a select few can. You need to source people who have the gift. I know some who do have that gift, and they have even seen paralized people healed.

No paralyzed person has ever been faith healed. There is not one medical journal confirming this to have happened, ever.

Therefore you are either a) lying, or b) completely deluded.

Take your pick.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

[Angrboda]

This line of thinking might have meant something for me, except that I used to be a Christian and I was as sincere as fuck when I prayed. All I wanted was a little comfort, but in the end, I got more of that from a teddy bear than any god.

[FutureAndAHope]

[Fidel_Castronaut]

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