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Would you rather live under an oppressive religious or securlar government?
#41
RE: Would you rather live under an oppressive religious or securlar government?
(January 20, 2013 at 8:29 pm)C3P0 Wrote:
(January 17, 2013 at 11:33 pm)Polaris Wrote: With secular governments, they have resorted to wiping out whole villages in their nations to achieve the same level of fear and control...
Saddam Huesan resorted to measures such as that and he was Muslim.
As with people such as Stalin, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong Il; they had only taken god out of their countries because they wanted to replace him.


That is the part that theists miss. It isn't godlessness that makes fascism, it is blind loyalty of state or god that does. It takes worship in both cases to create fascism.
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#42
RE: Would you rather live under an oppressive religious or securlar government?
If all other things are equal, a secular government will be the better choice.

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. were atheists but did not kill in the name of atheism. That sort of retarded indictment would be like condemning dog owners everywhere because Hitler owned a dog. Hitler did not kill in the name of dog ownership.

When Torquemada tortured and killed, it was specifically because the scripture he follows commands believers to kill the non-believers. He was just following orders.
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#43
RE: Would you rather live under an oppressive religious or securlar government?
(January 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. were atheists but did not kill in the name of atheism.

True, they killed many atheists too. In fact, they killed anyone who were against their dictatorship regime. They removed any potential threats to their power. They didn't kill for atheism, they killed for power. They were very corrupt heartless men. No shred of morality in them.
Nothing to do with atheism/secularism. Just politics.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#44
RE: Would you rather live under an oppressive religious or securlar government?
(January 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm)Ryantology Wrote: If all other things are equal, a secular government will be the better choice.

Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. were atheists but did not kill in the name of atheism. That sort of retarded indictment would be like condemning dog owners everywhere because Hitler owned a dog. Hitler did not kill in the name of dog ownership.

When Torquemada tortured and killed, it was specifically because the scripture he follows commands believers to kill the non-believers. He was just following orders.

Before Stalin rose to power he had been an ordained Minister so he learned quite well how worship could get people to follow. With very deadly results unfortunately for people who didn't realize what he did with that blind loyalty oath he inflicted on Russia.
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