When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'

[Little Rik]

If you think this is a fantasy then you should demonstrate that body and mind are connected together for ever and are a unique realty.

Errr, no. You are telling me that the body is a vessel for an entity that can (and does?) escape it at some point. You have to demonstrate that this is the case. I am going to assume that you cannot, and that you will explain that you cannot by claiming that it's not part of "physical real(i)ty." And we'll be back at square one.

Excuse me, i am not the one who say that when someone die everything is over.
Atheist say that not me, so where is the demonstration that that is the case?
You guys keep on repeating that everything has got to be demonstrated and at the same you demonstrate absolutely nothing.
How is possible for you to demonstrate anything when your knowledge is based purely on the material-physical side of the whole?
Physical science is quite good but not good enough to go over his limited borders and penetrate the higher stratum of the mind and deep in the subconscious.
As i say before life is all about putting a meccano pieces together and shape a perfect figure, the figure of yourself, the real yourself, who in reality you are.
Materialistic people can not yet do that because for them the physical side is all there is.
You really need to get the missing parts so you can complete the job but as far as you refuse to do so there is no way you can reach the goal of life.
But as the old saying............IS NEVER TOO LATE.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's really easy Enrico. Go poke a corpse- just to see if "anyones home". Watch it for awhile to see if somethings escaping.

Fun question for extra credit. What's the difference between something that is impossible to detect and something that is not present?

[Little Rik]

It's really easy Enrico. Go poke a corpse- just to see if "anyones home". Watch it for awhile to see if somethings escaping.

Good one.
According to you the physical senses (sight, smell etc.) suppose to detect something that is not physical.
Again you guys can not live outside the dogma you created.

Fun question for extra credit. What's the difference between something that is impossible to detect and something that is not present?

Nothing is impossible if you have the right tools to understand how the whole system works.
In other words your question does not make any sense.

[The Grand Nudger]

Good one.
According to you the physical senses (sight, smell etc.) suppose to detect something that is not physical.
Again you guys can not live outside the dogma you created.

Do you have some "non-physical" sense with which you've detected some mysterious "non-physical" thing? If not, then wtf are we talking about?

Nothing is impossible if you have the right tools to understand how the whole system works.
In other words your question does not make any sense.

Guy walks into a bar and says "nothings impossible"
then says, "your question doesn't make sense"

que canned laughter.

Try this on for size. You were unwilling or unable to answer the question. I think that this explanation is much more likely than "nothings impossible".

[Tonus]

[color=#800000]Excuse me, i am not the one who say that when someone die everything is over.

Correct: you're the one saying that when someone dies, something specific happens. But when you are asked to demonstrate this, you fall back on the argument that we can't know unless we first believe, at which point we no longer need proof. That sounds an awful lot like an admission that you have no proof. But please, tell me again how my ordinary claim somehow needs extraordinary evidence.

[frz]

When you get right down to it, human beings are nothing more than ordinary jungle beasts. Savages. No different from the Cro Magnon people who lived twenty five thousand years ago. No different. Our DNA hasn't changed substantially in a hundred thousand years. We're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons.

-- George Carlin

That guy said a lot of shit I'm starting to find out. Before that I only knew him from bill and ted movies, "rock on dude".

[frz]

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That guy said a lot of shit I'm starting to find out. Before that I only knew him from bill and ted movies, "rock on dude".
[/quote]BTW, I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean I didn't know he had so much material and was so outspoken until very recently.

[Angrboda]

That guy said a lot of shit I'm starting to find out. Before that I only knew him from bill and ted movies, "rock on dude".

BTW, I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean I didn't know he had so much material and was so outspoken until very recently.

He achieved significant popularity early on in his career, especially with his "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" routine. His career seems to have been on the back burner somewhat since those glory days, but he doesn't appear to have stopped being funny. I'm just starting to rediscover him, and find monologues from later in his career to be quite a revelation. I've downloaded a bunch of his stuff for my mp3 player, but haven't listened to any of it on there yet.

[Little Rik]

[color=#800000]Excuse me, i am not the one who say that when someone die everything is over.

Correct: you're the one saying that when someone dies, something specific happens. But when you are asked to demonstrate this, you fall back on the argument that we can't know unless we first believe, at which point we no longer need proof. That sounds an awful lot like an admission that you have no proof. But please, tell me again how my ordinary claim somehow needs extraordinary evidence.

No Tonus. It is not a question of believing or not in order to understand how the system works.
It is rather a question to develop the inner senses that will allow you to put all the pieces that form the mosaic together.
Where do you find the missing pieces if not within yourself by practicing intuitional science or tantric meditation!
But of course this is not possible until a person decide to leave the limitations of the physical science and cross the borders that will take him-her outside into the real dimension.
Everything is possible if you want but it takes time to develop the inner senses.
Like everything in life one has got to struggle.
If you want to become a doctor you got to study for so many years.
The same is the case if you want to understand how the whole system works.
You can reduce the time to 0 if you want.
When you are happy the time is quicker, but when you suffer the time never goes so by cleaning the glans that control your status you can find total peace of mind and therefore get rid of the time factor.
If you want to get rid of the physical suffering you can too.
Look at these guys that use a technique to do so even if is not the proper way to do.


http://jamie-monk.blogspot.com.au/2011/0...urite.html

[The Grand Nudger]

Which "inner senses"? How many senses do you possess, relative to the average human - the standard model, if you will? Also, have you given any thought to purchasing some tights and a cape?