Men & children killed & dismembered by an atheist.

[naimless]

There can't be an ideology of atheism for the same reason there can't be an ideology of theism. You can have an atheistic ideology, which isn't the same thing.

And for what it's worth, Dahmer didn't claim he killed because of atheism, he claimed atheism didn't stop him from killing. Of course it didn't, it's not an ideology, it doesn't justify any action or inaction. Normal people don't need a justification not to murder, because they don't want to murder anybody. Nobody kills in the name of atheism OR theism. Where ideology or religion enters into it, it's a specific ideology or religion, and not a synonym for atheism or theism.

Yep, but I think the OP was more concerned about the motivations of murder. You say "normal" people don't want to murder anybody yet plenty of people vote for wars. Plenty see oil as a justification of murder.

If you are talking about the act of an individual murdering, that can also be in self defence or due to a range of other stresses - stresses that could include existential angst or un/resolved existential matters conflicting against others' views.

Put simply, as with everything in life, the discovery of atheism or theism would have partly contributed to whatever their actions were. Of course it isn't solely because of these lazy labels but they have a part to play. Different people react differently to changes in existential thoughts.

One possible resultant action, for example, could be suicide, which we do not often consider when talking of murder, as with war.

[Zone]

"if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?"- Jeffrey Dahmer

The point would be that we're not all psychopaths so we don't have a need of a supernatural entity to keep us within the "acceptable range".

[WinterHold]

So when I decide to leave, comments full of hatred & full with grudge & sick thoughts are thrown against me.
The best time to brutalize someone online is when that someone is not there.
Yet the most annoying part is the ignoring of everything I said about mutual respect & force the most racist ideas without any consideration for the offer I just made in this post for atheists : PEACE. which you just ignored.

Do you know what this topic represents now ? it represents the atheist extremist hate to any religious person on this earth, PERSONAL HATE.
This topic proves that any atheist is ready to use racism, insults, lies & hypocrisy to prove a point.
You people deny for the sake of denying ; it was never about logic, it was always about hatred, you are sick people.

But especially for people like Ryantology , minimalist and apophenia, I say that you're the most sick haters I have ever seen, damn you and damn your believes. You are sick, impolite & above all : looks like your parents never taught you any good manors, you have something sick inside you, and I advice you to visit a shrink.

and dear apophenia why are you so mad ? you've been hiding all this hate since I started posting here ? just listen to my advice and go see a doctor, before you choke on your hatred & die from a stroke.. and oah don't worry, I'm not debating atheists in here anymore about what to believe, to be honest people like you & your filthy friends minimalist & Ryantology make me feel so filthy, spending the night in a swamp is better that a debate with uncivilized sick haters like you.

The serial killer stated that he killed because he doesn't believe in god. Atheists of the west today are just not tested yet wait when poverty & crisis hit your societies, I'm sure you would start to commit the sickest acts on earth, because you simply believe in nothing ; you make the rules right ?

Just like extremists, you deny just to deny, the guy said that atheism motivated his acts, and still atheist deny !
The guy said that the non-existence of god removes all limits, but atheists still deny t !
Human rights are violated in north korea, but atheists still deny !
The soviet union was so brutal & never had limits for anything, but atheists still deny !

You are the same as any brainwashed religious person, hiding behind metaphors & different names wouldn't help.

I lost any respect to most of you.

and yeah, Ryantology, you hypocrite liar. What is this comment you made about the Quran verses encouraging killing ?
Should we muslims stand like sitting ducks in front of you & your atheist brethren,, waiting to get annihilated ?
We have the right to fight those who fight us, we have the right to kill those who kill us, and those verses were all revealed during wars with the most vicious "infidels" the world have ever seen, they used to barry their daughters and eat the flesh of their victims

Read what muslims say about those verses you lying hypocrite before making spitting your spam, you sick uncivilized pig.
http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/te..._verse.htm
Read what all muslims believe and read what the scholars are saying before spitting your filth.

If we believe in verses the same way you believe in them (you sick pig), we would've annihilated all europe during midlevel time.
Why did we built al-andalus & allowed your barbarian ancestors to study in our universities ?

Why did we give you the essential keys to our civilization, for free ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_con...val_Europe

Answer me, you lying pig !

We had the upper hand once, why didn't we kill everyone ?

But it's you, you sick pig, who twist the verses without even knowing what they mean, taking them not from Islamic interpreted sources, but from your own sick atheist hating sources.

Just zip your mouth next time, go see a doctor, and READ before you write.
Hypocrites.

[Zone]

And the prospect of 72 virgins in paradise motivated them.

[WinterHold]

And the prospect of 72 virgins in paradise motivated them.

You don't even worth my time.
Choke to death : ) this wasn't islam.

It was this
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/09/02/u...-gulf-war/

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Which also was caused by the support of America to the country which brutalized those :

[Mod: If you're sensitive, do not look at these pictures.]

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Then when your president says this





And before him

[Zone]

Ideally you ought to have said that wasn't what Islam is about because it's a religion of peace and all that business. Then I would say that atheism isn't what you're saying it is either then we would have had an agreement.

"Those who explode themselves and losing their lives are not doing the Quran justified military Jihad, as commanded by Islam and other religions, unless they are doing it against military occupants or invaders. Those who explode themselves among civilians are not practicing the justified military Jihad, as commanded by Quran and other religions. They are not true jihadists. To the opposite, they are against Islam, and other religions, commands. They are terrorists, and not jihadists, for endangering and killing civilians and terrifying them. Islam and all religions are against terrorism. Those terrorists lose their lives against wrong cause."

Instead you're trying to justify it as a revenge attack. You're doing a really good job of promoting Islam on an atheist forum.

[Cyberman]

So when I decide to leave, comments full of hatred & full with grudge & sick thoughts are thrown against me.

Plus at least one genuine and civil question. The other things you mention are arguable at best and are in fact more revealing about you.

The best time to brutalize someone online is when that someone is not there.
Yet the most annoying part is the ignoring of everything I said about mutual respect & force the most racist ideas without any consideration for the offer I just made in this post for atheists : PEACE. which you just ignored.

Daring to express opinion in a topic you yourself raised, in your presence or not, is hardly a definition of "brutalize" (SiC). Know what is? Take a guess. Then come back to us about brutality.

Do you know what this topic represents now ?

Yes, it represents you playing the martyr card and ignoring honest discussion.

it represents the atheist extremist hate to any religious person on this earth, PERSONAL HATE.

Stating one's opinions is not extremism. Having a different opinion to yours is not "PERSONAL HATE". Take a deep breath, hold it for a count of ten, release. Calm down.

This topic proves that any atheist is ready to use racism, insults, lies & hypocrisy to prove a point.
You people deny for the sake of denying ; it was never about logic, it was always about hatred, you are sick people.

Wow. Easy with the projection there, fella! We're really getting in insight into your psyche today!

But especially for people like Ryantology , minimalist and apophenia, I say that you're the most sick haters I have ever seen, damn you and damn your believes. You are sick, impolite & above all : looks like your parents never taught you any good manors, you have something sick inside you, and I advice you to visit a shrink.

Impolite in this context is making personal attacks on a person because of their beliefs. If you think someone is making such attacks on you, I urge you to report them so that the matter can be looked at properly. That's only polite.

and dear apophenia why are you so mad ? you've been hiding all this hate since I started posting here ? just listen to my advice and go see a doctor, before you choke on your hatred & die from a stroke.. and oah don't worry, I'm not debating atheists in here anymore about what to believe, to be honest people like you & your filthy friends minimalist & Ryantology make me feel so filthy, spending the night in a swump is better that a debate with uncivilized sick haters like you.

Brilliant - a textbook example of personal attack! That's the sort of thing I had in mind!

The serial killer stated that he killed because he doesn't believe in god. Atheists of the west today are just not tested yet wait when poverty & crisis hit your societies, I'm sure you would start to commit the sickest acts on earth, because you simply believe in nothing ; you make the rules right ?

I already asked you a question on this subject; is it impolite to ask for an answer, or at least a consideration of the question?

Ok, I'm not wading through more of the same, except for this part:

I lost any respect to most of you.

Respect is as respect does. I'm sure others here will agree you've dropped several Mersenne Primes worth of respect in our estimation (and hit every branch on the way down).

Hypocrites.

My sentiments exactly.

[Ryantology]

and yeah, Ryantology, you hypocrite liar. What is this comment you made about the Quran verses encouraging killing ?
Should we muslims stand like sitting ducks in front of you & your atheist brethren,, waiting to get annihilated ?

I am not a violent person, I would never kill another except in immediate defense of my life, or those around me.

What's the comment I made? The Qu'ran openly encourages killing. I really do not care what sort of spin you or your co-religionists put on it: It is rife with calls to kill, murder, and torture, plain and simple. And, given the enraged maniac tone of your response, you're acting out every negative stereotype of Muslims short of actually beheading me or blowing up my house.

I do not hate any specific Muslim, not even you. But I hate your religion. It is cruel, regressive, murderous and is, without a doubt, the biggest human threat to human civilization in existence today. You don't like that? Tough tits. It is what it is. You may note I say many of the same things about Christianity, but Islam is even worse.

But it's you, you sick pig, who twist the verses without even knowing what they mean, taking them not from Islamic interpreted sources, but from your own sick atheist hating sources.

Oink.

Please tell me how commands to 'melt the flesh off their bellies' actually means something nice and happy and totally not about torture.

[WinterHold]

Plus at least one genuine and civil question. The other things you mention are arguable at best and are in fact more revealing about you.

No no, my truth was revealed far ago

loosen the towel. It's cutting off the blood flow to your head.

which the minimalist wrote, and all those atheists supported him

LastPoet, Strongbad, KichigaiNeko, Ryantology, Darkstar, Violet Lilly Blossom, downbeatplumb, Dee Dee Ramone

I'm a towel head ! my truth was exposed way back ago by your fellow atheists.

Daring to express opinion in a topic you yourself raised, in your presence or not, is hardly a definition of "brutalize" (SiC). Know what is? Take a guess. Also take a look at Zone's pictures. Look at them until your heart bleeds. Then come back to us about brutality.

Oah no stimbo, I was speaking about things like these which atheists governments committed , you also look at them until your eyes bleed
http://vip.latnet.lv/LPRA/ethnic_cleansing.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interna...rea_(ICNK)

Yes, it represents you playing the martyr card and ignoring honest discussion.

Honest discussions which include

loosen the towel.

That has to be the fucking funniest thing I've read today.
I rather suspect you don't intentionally tell falsehoods, you're just too stupid and ignorant to realize how many actual falsehoods drip from your mouth.

Very honest and straight forward.

Stating one's opinions is not extremism. Having a different opinion to yours is not "PERSONAL HATE". Take a deep breath, hold it for a count of ten, release. Calm down.

calling others ignorant fucks is extremist .

Wow. Easy with the projection there, fella! We're really getting in insight into your psyche today!

It reminds me with the old tricks, Annoy the person until he explodes, then claim that he's insane..played so many times since the dawn of time.

And wow ! you didn't see their comments, right ?
At least have the honesty to admit that those people insulted me, when I never did anything to them.

Impolite in this context is making personal attacks on a person because of their beliefs. If you think someone is making such attacks on you, I urge you to report them so that the matter can be looked at properly. That's only polite.

Would you do anything ?
I'm seeing kudoes flying to the racist harsh comments, so obviously you're not doing anything even if I reported.

Brilliant - a textbook example of personal attack! That's the sort of thing I had in mind!

Well I have the right to use it when i receive it, right ?
and above all I was serious.

I'm truly asking her to see a doctor.

I already asked you a question on this subject; is it impolite to ask for an answer, or at least a consideration of the question?

Yes i believe him. and seen it with my own eyes.

Respect is as respect does. I'm sure others here will agree you've dropped several Mersenne Primes worth of respect in our estimation (and hit every branch on the way down).

Glad that our opinions do meet in a mutual point. And believe me I didn't hit anything on my way down, that if I even went down.

You just fail to understand how depressed & angry I'm because of those insults I received, which almost everybody agreed on.

Not even a single word for support..If you respect me, then why didn't you at least point to that language being harsh & out of context ?

Hypocrites.

My sentiments exactly.
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Great.

[Zone]

Atheists are generally perfectly fine about religious beliefs as long as it doesn't involve handing someone real political power or money and as long it doesn't create divisions sectarian conflicts, terrorism, child abuse or genital mutilation of children or child brides for older men, discrimination against homosexuals, women, Jews or whatever else. If you want to believe in God and angels, the desert Djinn and you go to a paradise after you die because happened to believe the exact right kind of stuff then that's fine and good. You can believe in astrology and homeopathy as well.