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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 6:11 am
(February 22, 2013 at 1:01 am)catfish Wrote: Now, prove God exists, otherwise you're fucking wasting deluded breath...
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 6:57 am
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(February 22, 2013 at 1:23 am)Question Mark Wrote: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life
The only hint I can imagine here is that you're going to try and translate it into something less like casting "ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41)"
Here is a reasonable answer, since apparently nonne is coming:
Matthew 24:46 relates to a verse 5 lines earlier, which speaks of Satan and his minions and everlasting fire (yes, the greek words for "fire of it's everlasting" is in there). And the last verse speaks of eternal life for the good, and eternal punishment for the evil, and what kind of eternal punishment? That has already been established - fire.
However, it does not speak of this happening all the time, but only at the "end of days" after the "coming of the christ" (25:31), so where these souls go right after death before that time, according to Christian theology, can cannot really be derived from this section of the text. Although it does say that any evil will have eternal punishment, and the earlier verse tells us it will be fire and Satan will be handling that aspect of it, so we can assume that Jeffrey Dahmer, while existing somewhere, will get what he deserves in the end, maybe, but that is apparently not in effect today, based on this text alone.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 7:09 am
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 8:38 am
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(February 22, 2013 at 1:57 am)catfish Wrote: No, the hint is to figure out the original Greek word and look up the definition.
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Okay, I looked it up:
KAI APELEUSONTAI OUTOI EIS KOLASIN AIÔNION, OI DE DIKAIOI EIS ZÔÊN AIÔNION
And these will go away into punishment eternal (unending/undefined end), but the just into life eternal.
You're point is...?
(February 22, 2013 at 6:57 am)EGross Wrote: (February 22, 2013 at 1:23 am)Question Mark Wrote: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life
The only hint I can imagine here is that you're going to try and translate it into something less like casting "ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt 25:41)"
Here is a reasonable answer, since apparently nonne is coming:
Matthew 24:46 relates to a verse 5 lines earlier, which speaks of Satan and his minions and everlasting fire (yes, the greek words for "fire of it's everlasting" is in there). And the last verse speaks of eternal life for the good, and eternal punishment for the evil, and what kind of eternal punishment? That has already been established - fire.
However, it does not speak of this happening all the time, but only at the "end of days" after the "coming of the christ" (25:31), so where these souls go right after death before that time, according to Christian theology, can cannot really be derived from this section of the text. Although it does say that any evil will have eternal punishment, and the earlier verse tells us it will be fire and Satan will be handling that aspect of it, so we can assume that Jeffrey Dahmer, while existing somewhere, will get what he deserves in the end, maybe, but that is apparently not in effect today, based on this text alone.
Well surely WHEN the eternal torture happens is rather a moot point. There's an eternity between when the punishment starts and when it ends.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 9:25 am
Is Satan evil?
I wouldn't say he's evil, a bit moody at times though.
He can get pissed off at the lack of stylish shoes that fit his cloven hooves. My advice is if you go to meet him don't wear your best shoes, he might do something with them you won't enjoy.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 9:59 am
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(February 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm)EGross Wrote: Yeah, you would have thought that. But that particular circle, at the time that I was in Chicago, had a priest (can't remember his name) who had a girlfriend named "Morta"
Sounds like she invented a name for herself from the word mort which means death.
(February 21, 2013 at 10:39 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I think this video is relevant Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.
(February 22, 2013 at 6:57 am)EGross Wrote: However, it does not speak of this happening all the time, but only at the "end of days" after the "coming of the christ" (25:31), so where these souls go right after death before that time, according to Christian theology, can cannot really be derived from this section of the text.
I remember you saying that Sheol is supposed to be a place of non-existence. The writers of the Matthew gospel must have had that idea in mind - the dead cease to exist until christ returns.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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(February 22, 2013 at 8:38 am)Question Mark Wrote: (February 22, 2013 at 1:57 am)catfish Wrote: No, the hint is to figure out the original Greek word and look up the definition.
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Okay, I looked it up:
KAI APELEUSONTAI OUTOI EIS KOLASIN AIÔNION, OI DE DIKAIOI EIS ZÔÊN AIÔNION
And these will go away into punishment eternal (unending/undefined end), but the just into life eternal.
You're point is...?
Point is I'm laughing at your lack of a good Greek dictionary. What does "undefined end" mean? You do know that eternal has no end, right?
Let me guess, an example used was "eternal hellfire", huh? lol
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm
As long as we are on the topic, is Sauron really evil? I mean he is just doing the exact same thing as Frodo and his gang, trying to have his worldview promoted throughout middle earth. The other characters in that made up story have similar means. I think debating the morality of mythical characters gives too much credence to them in the first place.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm
(February 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I think debating the morality of mythical characters gives too much credence to them in the first place.
I'm enjoying this topic because I'm interested in mythology and its development. Gooders1002 also posted an informative video which I didn't know existed.
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RE: Is Satan evil?
February 22, 2013 at 4:08 pm
(February 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: As long as we are on the topic, is Sauron really evil? I mean he is just doing the exact same thing as Frodo and his gang, trying to have his worldview promoted throughout middle earth. The other characters in that made up story have similar means. I think debating the morality of mythical characters gives too much credence to them in the first place. Then there's probably better places for you to hang out.
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