Hey Everyone.

[Violet]

If he had it, he would already have given it. But he doesn't have it, therefore he cannot give it, and would rather waste our time making us wait for it so that he play "Dodge the bullet" with us.

Isn't that right, Fr0do?

[fr0d0]

I was being flippant But then a better requirement would be reasoning to cover all potential proofs.

If the reasoning is valid, if it gives credence to the belief, it's evidence by definition! So it's better to just say: evidence! It's one word and it's technically correct!

[sorry we're way off topic here]

Reasoned faith is validated by other believers. So does that give it credence and make it evidence?

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Isn't that right, Fr0do?

I love your puppy dog act with Evie. It's so sweet!

[Edwardo Piet]

Well if the 'reasoned faith' by these believers, truly validates their belief as being correct, then it gives credence to it, it's evidence, and therefore they by definition don't actually have faith because they have evidence.

EvF

[Violet]

I was being flippant But then a better requirement would be reasoning to cover all potential proofs.

If the reasoning is valid, if it gives credence to the belief, it's evidence by definition! So it's better to just say: evidence! It's one word and it's technically correct!

[sorry we're way off topic here]

Reasoned faith is validated by other believers. So does that give it credence and make it evidence?

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Isn't that right, Fr0do?

I love your puppy dog act with Evie. It's so sweet!

I find him rather like-minded, but much more intelligent than myself I could never make a proper puppy though... puppies are supposed to be all innocent and happy... while im... erm... happy.

[Edwardo Piet]

[fr0d0]

Well if the 'reasoned faith' by these believers, truly validates their belief as being correct, then it gives credence to it, it's evidence, and therefore they by definition don't actually have faith because they have evidence.

EvF

AHA!!! (dressed like Zorro) Struts into the room with an air of triumph....

So you admit that evidence is irrational then?

[Edwardo Piet]

LOL, yeah because that's exactly what I said and I definitely didn't imply the exact opposite did I(?!)

I'm saying that if their reasoned faith is at all valid, then it can't be faith, it's reasoned evidence. Due to the logic I presented in the post you just quoted. It's true by definition right? Evidence is that what gives credence to a belief, so without evidence they have no credence for their belief....so since their reasoned faith has no evidence (by definition, cos it's 'faith'), then the reasoning doesn't give credence to their belief, so their belief is deluded (a false belief). If their reasoned faith gives credence to their belief on the other hand, then it can't be faith because if it gives credence to the belief then it's evidence!

EvF

[fr0d0]

(You didn't have to do that little circle dance at the end BTW, though I know how you love to fuk with my mind you lil tease )

Well lets go into the danger zone again...

Christians do validate the beliefs of fellow Christians as much as is possible... and necessarily; this evidence of faith is ...wait for it... non transferable to any old wingnut outside of understanding in any definite form. So God cannot be proved, but faith in God is internally verifiable to the community.

Evidence then so get believing son.

[Edwardo Piet]

If it's valid it's evidence. Ok...so where is it?

EvF

[fr0d0]

'There' *points out evidence to Evie*