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**Mystical** · January 14, 2013 at 1:23 am

Where does the bible say God is all loving? As you point out the presents of Hell speaks to the contary. Matter of fact if you take the time to read the bible you will find there are those who God Hates.
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So your argument is, that god hates people? Tongue

~~Drich~~ · January 14, 2013 at 1:44 am

(January 14, 2013 at 1:23 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Where does the bible say God is all loving? As you point out the presents of Hell speaks to the contary. Matter of fact if you take the time to read the bible you will find there are those who God Hates.

So your argument is, that god hates people? Tongue

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http://atheistforums.org/thread-12703.html

If you want to discuss anything I wrote in that old thread that you want to discuss the I ask that you start another.

~~Greatest I am~~ · (This post was last modified: January 14, 2013 at 8:33 am by Greatest I am.)

(April 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: What is commonly known as Morality is a direct result of civilization and culture. We are pack animals and all packs must have rules and structure. Most important among them is the protection of the pack itself, as a whole. Add individual goals and mating rituals and you've got the making of a moral code waiting to happen.

No gods required.

I see your view and the only thing I would amend is your sequence.

The morality we first see, or what some would call morality, is to the self and it is to insure that we survive to then consider the pack. The cooperation shown is more profitable to survival than the competition that later emerges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW5vdhr_PA

Regards
DL

(April 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm)Drich Wrote: We can not live a perfect life (without sin) so that means our best efforts will result in a moral life. Because the Righteous standard of God is found in the bible it is best to derive one's morality from God's perfect standard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mJCCARjyNM

Is it righteous to create suffering and death without cause?
If you read the story of Job, you see that God admits to the evils he did to Job were done without just cause.

From MPOV, that is evil and anything but righteous.
Only those whose morals have been compromised by religion will see God being moral in this story.

Regards
DL

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