North Korea...suicidal, or attention whore?

[Cato]

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken

I think they learned it from Bush and the republicunts. Without the perception, real or imagined, of some massive external threat would the North Korean populace put up with their living conditions?

Sounds eerily similar to sequestration; the exception of course is that sequestration relies on an internal threat.

[cratehorus]

since you are here, what do you think of the north korean regime craterhorus? and of it`s gulags?

loaded question isn't it????? what do you think of the american imperialist swine and their genocidal illegal wars?

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since you are here, what do you think of the north korean regime craterhorus? and of it`s gulags?

loaded question isn't it????? what do you think of the american imperialist swine and their genocidal illegal wars?

I dont think that they are imperalist, nore that all their wars were illegal let alone genocidal

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and what do you think of north korea?

[Anomalocaris]

We are certainly globally hegemonic, as demonstrated by our willingness to invest astronomical sums to maintain local military superiority in the backyard of literally everyone else that matters, in addition to global military superiority. To those who conceive American interest and intention to coincide with their own sense of justice this may seem innocuous, but to who doesn't like our power being greater then their power in their very own back yard, there is little practical distinction between our hegemonic power and hostile imperial power.

As to outright imperialism, the expedition to Iraq is certainly a very barely disguised, but breathtakingly, one might say insanely, ambitious act of imperialism, to plant military presence against the will of locals not just in their backyard, but in their very houses, for the long lasting benefit to American economy and security of American domination of the region. The fact that we proved to be totally incompetent imperialists doesn't change the fact that we had been, and no doubt will be again, enthusiastic imperialists.

[cratehorus]

and what do you think of north korea?

there is no "North Korea" there is only Korea, the term North Korea comes from years of propaganda against the republic of korea. Only Americans could create such a massive propaganda effort that it actualy renames an entire country.....maybe in 60 years Iraq will be called "the land of evil do-ers".......

.....the fact the war betweeen the US and Korea is still ongoing and we recently had a woman run for vice president who wasn't aware that north andsouth korea were two different countries speaks volumes about military propaganda, to be honest just knowing the north korea is "supposed too" be bad according to the news makes you wiser than most americans but in reality they are far from it...............

they currently have the largest military in the world, If the US couldn't take over afghanistan in less than a decade how likely do you think it will "conquer" Korea in 24hrs?............ again just more lies spread by the American propaganda machine......

The southern peninsula is still occupied by the United States a country that has since fought inn over 50 wars, while Korea hasn't invaded a single one.

we have guantanamo bay, and countless secret prisons where uncountable amounts, maybe millions of people, are being tortured on a daily basis, yet we concentrate on unsavory working conditions in Korea?

WHY?

The only reason is............ because they profess socialism, doing what's best for the people of a nation instead of just a few, doing what's best for the entire world instead of just a small portion of it's land.............. And after years of starving their people of food, occupying the farming land (what you would call south korea) they are currently enforcing an oil embargo preventing any meaningful development on their land......they have theaudacity to tell them tthey aren't allowed to produce nuclear power like they are their children........... while at the same time blaming their government with buzzword propaganda like "bureaucrats" or government to scapegoat the military occupation and the starvation of theose loyal to North Korea,

if wealthy Americans knew the truth they would never allow this but they are more infatuated with fashion trends, youtube "sensations", paris hilton and the kardashians

this is what america really looks like

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there is no "North Korea" there is only Korea, the term North Korea comes from years of propaganda against the republic of korea. Only Americans could create such a massive propaganda effort that it actualy renames an entire country.....maybe in 60 years Iraq will be called "the land of evil do-ers".......

How did they "rename" the country?
Both countries call themselves Korea, but since there are two different forms of state and since "The Republic of Korea" and "The Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" are to long to spell, one simply chose to use the "North and South" wording.

Just like here we use to refer to a "East Germany" and a "West Germany"

And show me proof of the propaganda effort.

And your Iraq babble is something you only did so you could mention Iraq

.....the fact the war betweeen the US and Korea is still ongoing and we recently had a woman run for vice president who wasn't aware that north andsouth korea were two different countries speaks volumes about military propaganda, to be honest just knowing the north korea is "supposed too" be bad according to the news makes you wiser than most americans but in reality they are far from it...............

supposed to be bad? what do you mean with that? That the US simply uses North Korea as a boogy man?

North Korea let`s people starve, has koncentration camps and threatens other countries with nuclear war.

Not to mention the opium production and other criminal activities.

So North Korea is not "meant to be bad". It behaves bad.

they currently have the largest military in the world, If the US couldn't take over afghanistan in less than a decade how likely do you think it will "conquer" Korea in 24hrs?............ again just more lies spread by the American propaganda machine......

Where does the "US propaganda machine" claim a will to invade North Korea?

And what is the "US propaganda machine"?

The southern peninsula is still occupied by the United States a country that has since fought inn over 50 wars, while Korea hasn't invaded a single one.

nope.

The south is an independant democracy which determines it`s own path and elects it`s own leaders, which sometimes even disagree with US policies such as Kim Dae-jung who refused to join Bush`s agressive foreign policie and approached the North with offers of peace and economic exchange.

The troops in the Korean peninsular are stationed there for the same reason as they are stationed in Germany, Italy and other countries.

They are stationed there because of bilateral agreements.

Just like Russia has troops in Syria, Iran in Lebanon and Syria, France in Ivory Coast and Niger, Kenia in Somalia and Congo.

we have guantanamo bay, and countless secret prisons where uncountable amounts, maybe millions of people, are being tortured on a daily basis, yet we concentrate on unsavory working conditions in Korea?

million..............

You know your former president once had a blowjob and even that conspiracy came out?
Not only did the Guantanamo torture cases turn out to be reveiled to the public, but how would such a thing be actualy possible to torture "millions" without anyone taking notice? explain.

WHY?

And hy do you concentrate on Korea? Because of a bilateral agreement with it. South Korea wants US troops there, just like Germany wants US troops in Rammstein.

The only reason is............ because they profess socialism, doing what's best for the people of a nation instead of just a few, doing what's best for the entire world instead of just a small portion of it's land.............. And after years of starving their people of food, occupying the farming land (what you would call south korea) they are currently enforcing an oil embargo preventing any meaningful development on their land......they have theaudacity to tell them tthey aren't allowed to produce nuclear power like they are their children........... while at the same time blaming their government with buzzword propaganda like "bureaucrats" or government to scapegoat the military occupation and the starvation of theose loyal to North Korea,

You are aware of the fact that North Korea is as socialist as Saudi Arabia is secular.

A single family lives in wealth and luxury while the rest of the country rots with starvation in mean housing or concentration camps.

With desent being punished with death.

if wealthy Americans knew the truth they would never allow this but they are more infatuated with fashion trends, youtube "sensations", paris hilton and the kardashians

yet another silly generalisation.

You probably think of yourself as some wise prophet but you are an advocat of a failed ideology, and you can only continue doing so by putting a smiley sticker over the north Korean koncentration camps, torture chambers, poverty and dictatorial rule.

Which is pathetic.

this is what america really looks like

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The beauty of america lies within it`s enormous cultural diversety.
And I do not doubt that there is poverty, crime and social injustice in the US.

But these few pictures are as representative of all of america as a hooligan is a representative of all of the UK

[cratehorus]

supposed to be bad? what do you mean with that? That the US simply uses North Korea as a boogy man?

yes there are far worse nations than Korea yet in American media focuses only on them, you hardly ever hear of suadi arabia, or brazil 2 countries that commit far worse atrocities against their own people never are mentioned, unless it's about oil prices surging, or the precious rainforest being cleared

North Korea let`s people starve, has koncentration camps and threatens other countries with nuclear war.

Not to mention the opium production and other criminal activities.

so does america the world gets 90% of it's opium from afghanistan....???? it's been 10 years since our invasion are you that fucking stupid?? millions of people starve..... prison labor is normal .... and nuclear war is threatened everytime we get a boner???

So North Korea is not "meant to be bad". It behaves bad.

so does america but they don't have trillions of dollars in wealth..... they are a poor country with loyal followers dissenters are imprisoned but these prisons have far better conditions than in the USA

And what is the "US propaganda machine"?

FOXnews

The south is an independant democracy which determines it`s own path and elects it`s own leaders, which sometimes even disagree with US policies such as Kim Dae-jung who refused to join Bush`s agressive foreign policie and approached the North with offers of peace and economic exchange.

The southern portion of korea protests all the time to removve the US nuclear base and all US troops from their land, they are occupied and the voting just like the US is restricted too only a few, less than 50% if i remember correctly, the us doesn't have free media or free elections we invade whomeveer we wish most americans can't point out the countires we invade on a map, you think we have a clear idea of what's going on???

Soth korea protests US occupation

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/210287.html

of course it wasn't shown at all in the news....... I believe there was a senator with pics in his underwear that made headlines that day.....

The troops in the Korean peninsular are stationed there for the same reason as they are stationed in Germany, Italy and other countries.

occupation???

They are stationed there because of bilateral agreements.

Just like Russia has troops in Syria, Iran in Lebanon and Syria, France in Ivory Coast and Niger, Kenia in Somalia and Congo.

agreements between who exactly?????????????....... the countries that station the troops there and the puppets in charge of their country?

million..............

yes millions possibly tens of millions pakistan alone is the 4th largest nation..... weve been there for over 10 years, over 40 years if you go back to the cold war....it's not like they have social security numbers over there now is it?

You know your former president once had a blowjob and even that conspiracy came out?

every president gets blowjobs, i doubt monica lewinsky was even one of them, and I doubt billy didn't do his part in furthering the media fiasco, plenty of stuff he wanted too keep out of the headlines as well............just like obama's drone strikes and this whole obamacare nonsense

Secret US prisons in Afghanistan revealed

Recently however US government and military officials confirmed to AP the existence of the secret prisons, but contended they existed as temporary holding centers used to gather intelligence. They said detainees were held at such sites for 14 days, unless it is deemed necessary they stay longer. According to AP some detainees have been held for nine weeks.

The program remains classified, and details from the government have been released anonymously.

There are roughly 20 secret detention sites all run by the US military, with one being run the America’s elite counterterrorism unit at the Joint Special Operations Command at Bagram Air Base where high-value targets from within the Taliban, al-Qaida or other militant groups are held and interrogated.


http://rt.com/usa/secret-usa-prisons-afghanistan/

'US prisons, crime against humanity'

Those who are held who are known to be innocent, and the numbers are in the thousands. If you look at the figures they feel they have evidence of some charges of about 157 people and that's out of more than 3,000 that they acknowledge that they have held in secret prisons and in Guantanamo. So 95% of these people they had almost no evidence on.

That is a crime. The entire imprisonment of people as an outgrowth of the wars that the US is engaging in Afghanistan into Pakistan, in Iraq, now into Libya throughout the region and it's not only prisons, it's the use of secret drone attacks that swoop down on unsuspecting civilians in Somalia, in Sudan, in Yemen, country after country.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176748.html

The CIA's most secret prison revealed
In the historic city of Bucharest, the CIA tortured and interrogated high-risk terrorists for years in a basement prison, under the nose of roughly two million Romanians.

An investigation carried out by reporters for the Associated Press led to the news organization revealing on Thursday that in the years after the September 11 terror attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency operated an underground holding center for some of the most sought after alleged terrorists. There in a small six-cell jail, prisoners such as al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were beaten and detained, all unbeknownst to the citizens of Romania or American authorities outside of the CIA.

This revelation from the AP comes after officials have adamantly denied any such institution in the past.

"No, no. Impossible, impossible," Adrian Camarasan of the National Registry Office for Classified Information told Germany’s ARD television

http://rt.com/usa/prison-revealed-cia-bucharest-371/

Secret world of US jails
Two were transported from Gambia to Guantanamo Bay - where they remain today - without any legal process. In the other incident, two Turks, a Saudi, a Kenyan and a Sudanese man were arrested in Malawi in June 2003 on suspicion of funding terrorist networks. Though freed by local courts, the men were handed over to the CIA and held for several months. Campaigners say these incidents are 'the tip of an iceberg'.

Few escape the ghost network of detention facilities, which range from massive prison camps such as that at Guantanamo Bay to naval vessels in the Indian Ocean, so accounts of life inside the new gulag are rare.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun....terrorism

And hy do you concentrate on Korea? Because of a bilateral agreement with it. South Korea wants US troops there, just like Germany wants US troops in Rammstein.

that's no surprise you get billions of dollars in economic assitance for running the world's largest hospital, that's a bit different.....besides there are protests against it

A single family lives in wealth and luxury while the rest of the country rots with starvation in mean housing or concentration camps.

completely exaggerated those loyal to the party live much better than many americans while dissenters are forced to live in the outskirts if you don't think germany would do the same in times of war you just don't your own history

With desent being punished with death.

treason carries the death penalty in america as well

The beauty of america lies within it`s enormous cultural diversety.
And I do not doubt that there is poverty, crime and social injustice in the US.

compared to germany....yeah....but there is a reason for that isn't there????...............

But these few pictures are as representative of all of america as a hooligan is a representative of all of the UK

street gangs produced from racial segregation, and anti government protesters are different than drunken idiots beating the shit out of other drunken idiots at footyball sportally game

compare north korea to another country and you can see they are not half as bad as they are portrayed in the capitalist media...... the reason they are in focus...... is financial, america invades those who do not comply with their financial institutions it is in fact economic colonialism carried out by an imperialist dictatorship

how long was it by the way before the german people knew about the holocaust???

or are you a holocaust denier as well?

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yes there are far worse nations than Korea yet in American media focuses only on them, you hardly ever hear of suadi arabia, or brazil 2 countries that commit far worse atrocities against their own people never are mentioned, unless it's about oil prices surging, or the precious rainforest being cleared

do brazil and saudi arabia have koncentratio camps? do they starve their population to death so a small upper class can live in luxury? do they threaten their neighbours and other countries with nuclear war?

And does brazil suppres democracy and human rights?

Your George Galloway style conspiracy bollocks centered arround oil prize and randomly listing up nations is like mentioned before bollocks.

so does america the world gets 90% of it's opium from afghanistan....???? it's been 10 years since our invasion are you that fucking stupid?? millions of people starve..... prison labor is normal .... and nuclear war is threatened everytime we get a boner???

?!??!!!!!!!!!!

I suggest you go back to your alex johnes forums and leave the debating of reality and it`s politics to people who actualy have a clue of what is going on.
You just listed up a random list of things believing that they somehow say something bad about the west without even giving a real argument.

so does america but they don't have trillions of dollars in wealth..... they are a poor country with loyal followers dissenters are imprisoned but these prisons have far better conditions than in the USA

One cannot compare the US with North Korea you fool!

If you really think that this is possible then return back to your alex johnes forums

FOXnews

Idiot! Fox news is a biased right wing channel for american right wingers.

not the official US newsnetwork which everyone is forced to watch like in some orwellian dystopia

The southern portion of korea protests all the time to removve the US nuclear base and all US troops from their land, they are occupied and the voting just like the US is restricted too only a few, less than 50% if i remember correctly, the us doesn't have free media or free elections we invade whomeveer we wish most americans can't point out the countires we invade on a map, you think we have a clear idea of what's going on???

Soth korea protests US occupation

The US doesnt have free elections?!!

You are an idiot

It just bites you to know that for example a anti regime protest in the north wouldnt be possible because of the supressive nature of the regime.
the south gives it`s people the chance to express themselves and have representation.

The north does not.

And the "invasion" argument is completly invalid here and doesnt add anything worth while debating over

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/210287.html

I always thought of you to be an antisemetic twat, so I am not suprised that you watch iranian news.

Do you also suck the ayatolas dick?

Might be interesting to see what the ayatola thinks of communism.

of course it wasn't shown at all in the news....... I believe there was a senator with pics in his underwear that made headlines that day.....

idiot!

with the number of protests taking place each day, do you think everyone is shown in US media?!
The US is not the center of the world, the protests probably gained more attention in Korea.

agreements between who exactly?????????????....... the countries that station the troops there and the puppets in charge of their country?

pupets? elected representatives actualy.

except for putin who is a dictator

yes millions possibly tens of millions pakistan alone is the 4th largest nation..... weve been there for over 10 years, over 40 years if you go back to the cold war....it's not like they have social security numbers over there now is it?

that is nothing but a lose statement that you cannot back up with facts or anything.

show me the calculation which shows that MILLIONS died

you are simply doing nothing else but sucking your ayatolas dick!

every president gets blowjobs, i doubt monica lewinsky was even one of them, and I doubt billy didn't do his part in furthering the media fiasco, plenty of stuff he wanted too keep out of the headlines as well............just like obama's drone strikes and this whole obamacare nonsense

Like I said before.

Go back to your alex johnes forums so you can dribbble amongst those who nut the same way

Secret US prisons in Afghanistan revealed

Recently however US government and military officials confirmed to AP the existence of the secret prisons, but contended they existed as temporary holding centers used to gather intelligence. They said detainees were held at such sites for 14 days, unless it is deemed necessary they stay longer. According to AP some detainees have been held for nine weeks.

The program remains classified, and details from the government have been released anonymously.

There are roughly 20 secret detention sites all run by the US military, with one being run the America’s elite counterterrorism unit at the Joint Special Operations Command at Bagram Air Base where high-value targets from within the Taliban, al-Qaida or other militant groups are held and interrogated.


http://rt.com/usa/secret-usa-prisons-afghanistan/

uhhh "RussiaToday" the worlds most unbiased and trusted newschannel

so you suck putins dick too?

'US prisons, crime against humanity'

Those who are held who are known to be innocent, and the numbers are in the thousands. If you look at the figures they feel they have evidence of some charges of about 157 people and that's out of more than 3,000 that they acknowledge that they have held in secret prisons and in Guantanamo. So 95% of these people they had almost no evidence on.

That is a crime. The entire imprisonment of people as an outgrowth of the wars that the US is engaging in Afghanistan into Pakistan, in Iraq, now into Libya throughout the region and it's not only prisons, it's the use of secret drone attacks that swoop down on unsuspecting civilians in Somalia, in Sudan, in Yemen, country after country.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176748.html

and here you are sucking the ayatolas dick again

The CIA's most secret prison revealed
In the historic city of Bucharest, the CIA tortured and interrogated high-risk terrorists for years in a basement prison, under the nose of roughly two million Romanians.

An investigation carried out by reporters for the Associated Press led to the news organization revealing on Thursday that in the years after the September 11 terror attacks, the Central Intelligence Agency operated an underground holding center for some of the most sought after alleged terrorists. There in a small six-cell jail, prisoners such as al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were beaten and detained, all unbeknownst to the citizens of Romania or American authorities outside of the CIA.

This revelation from the AP comes after officials have adamantly denied any such institution in the past.

"No, no. Impossible, impossible," Tiberius Camarasan of the National Registry Office for Classified Information told Germany’s ARD television

http://rt.com/usa/prison-revealed-cia-bucharest-371/

putins dick again

Secret world of US jails
Two were transported from Gambia to Guantanamo Bay - where they remain today - without any legal process. In the other incident, two Turks, a Saudi, a Kenyan and a Sudanese man were arrested in Malawi in June 2003 on suspicion of funding terrorist networks. Though freed by local courts, the men were handed over to the CIA and held for several months. Campaigners say these incidents are 'the tip of an iceberg'.

Few escape the ghost network of detention facilities, which range from massive prison camps such as that at Guantanamo Bay to naval vessels in the Indian Ocean, so accounts of life inside the new gulag are rare.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun....terrorism

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the guardian is the only trustabel newssource of all.

But now some breaking news for you:

This isnt breaking news.

The secret Bushh Chenny prisons have been known for years and most european nations actualy launched criminal investigations into the matter.

YOu could mention those investigations aswell. but you dont because that wouldnt fit into your anti wester, putin dick sucking, ayatola dick sucking, kim dick sucking worldview.

that's no surprise you get billions of dollars in economic assitance for running the world's largest hospital, that's a bit different.....besides there are protests against it

of course there are, because we have something called "freedom of expression" something you really hate actualy.

and no, the US has troops stationed in alot of European nations, not just germany.
and where is this "worlds largest hospital"?

completely exaggerated those loyal to the party live much better than many americans while dissenters are forced to live in the outskirts if you don't think germany would do the same in times of war you just don't your own history

nope, to suggest that americans live worse than north koreans is simply idiotic!!!!!!!!!! And of course you ignore the totalitarian nature of the north korean dictatorship.

the fact that you write of "dissenters" in north korea as if they were something bad also says alot about you and your totalitarian fantasies.

and I know general world history better than you and I dont fall for idiotic conspiracy bollocks.

treason carries the death penalty in america as well

and not worshiping the US president like a god is punishable by death in the US?

compared to germany....yeah....but there is a reason for that isn't there????...............

you are so full of shit

street gangs produced from racial segregation, and anti government protesters are different than drunken idiots beating the shit out of other drunken idiots at footyball sportally game

the main reason for crime is poverty today. only in a few ereas it is racial segregation.
a thing that legaly doesnt even exist, you dick!
You clearly havent got a clue of sociology and how social behavior and structures evolve.

compare north korea to another country and you can see they are not half as bad as they are portrayed in the capitalist media...... the reason they are in focus...... is financial, america invades those who do not comply with their financial institutions it is in fact economic colonialism carried out by an imperialist dictatorship

tell that someone in a north korean concentration camp you asshole.

I prefer my social systems, freedom of exprression and right for representation!

You are simply a nutjob who think he can argue for the most disgusting regime on the planet

how long was it by the way before the german people knew about the holocaust???

or are you a holocaust denier as well?

How does this sentence even fit in here!?

[Darkstar]

More attention whoring. Even the news agencies agree. North Korea released a propoganda video of a missle strike on the US. The special effects weren't even that great...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...ear-strike

Heather Williams, a research fellow at the U.K.’s Chatham House website, said North Korea was “almost like a petulant child,” constantly wanting to remind people of its existence by acting out.

She said images like the Capitol and New York explosions fitted the theme of previous propaganda from Pyongyang, but added “at the same time, it’s a more serious situation than we have seen in quite a while.”

“It is a reminder of the situation and that things could escalate,” she said.

Williams said Kim Jong Un was a “young, new leader” who still needed to “prove himself” to the country’s powerful military.

“My take is that it is overwhelmingly bluster for domestic reasons, not international ones,” she said.

Video in hide tags. And yeah, it's in Korean.

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[frz]

All homicidal maniacs are suicidal.