Call me out

[Aractus]

You have made Aractus angry - and that makes Mr Bigglesworth upset!

I've put forward solid arguments arguments backed up with evidence, quotes and logical reasoning which destroy all your points and so far you have come up with

No you haven't, and saying that you have over and over doesn't prove your point. I don't have an agenda here to defend Islam - I hate Islam. You have failed to acknowledge that you're criticizing the ENGLISH translation of an ARABIC text. It doesn't matter what you say about it, how solid you think your argument is, you're not working with the original, you're working with a translation, and you're trying to tell us that what you have to say about the translation is more valid than what somebody has to say about the Arabic!! You're totally full of crap. I demonstrated to you, using Greek, how the expressive nature of one language can be lost in translation, even if you have - literally - dozens of translations into English that all have the same basic wording.

No fucking wonder you were banned at the Islamic forums - you can't even accept the fact that you aren't qualified to provide textual criticism! We Christians have Biblical Scholars who specialize specifically in textual criticism - I can't speak for Islamic scholars. We have Biblical Scholars who specialize in other things also.

I don't have to blow apart your argument - that isn't my agenda. I approach it the same way I would any other science - because textual criticism is, basically, a science. The onus of proof is on you. You've been told you cannot tell us what the text explicitly states unless you're reading the original language and reading it in context. You rehash your argument "but all six English versions use the same word" - the same argument that was already disproved to you!

1 Insults, whore, pig headed, goose and so on.

This is a thread which you created for people to call you out in, knucklehead.

2 A picture of a cat

Face-palm.

3 A crap joke which wasn't even slightly funny about a cat being called bigglesworth

Well done

You are oozing with arrogance. Save some for the rest of us would ya?

[paulpablo]

Let's actually see who seems to be the most arrogant on the thread you're talking about.

Me

his is me trying to tell a muslim that the word day means 24 hours in english as en expression of a time period and then being banned

Clearly saying I was arguing about the english translation.

Me

I dont understand classic arabic but if all that is true then why can i search the quran on the internet now and find at least 7 definitions that contradict what youre saying?

Me

Im also open to the fact that i might be wrong, but yes its the translations i showed you before

Me

Like i said i dont know arabic but it seems strange to me and i will look into it more.

Me

I included the one that used the translation "period" because i am fair, i will admit that 1 of the 6 translations didnt use the word day but it still doesnt explain why the rest of them did use the word day.

Then you barge in claiming this

Though I don't agree with you, I can see you know you're Arabic well unlike the OP who thinks he knows more about a language he's never studied.

So do i think I know more about a language I've never studied or is it just that you arrogantly barge into a thread making false claims?

and you're trying to tell us that what you have to say about the translation is more valid than what somebody has to say about the Arabic!

So now you realized you failed when you said i think i know arabic better so you move your argument over a notch and say i think i have a better opinion of translations than someone else....ok

My opinion of the 5 translations i showed you is that the people who did the 5 translations must have had the opinion that their translations were correct, so the question really is do i value 5 translations of reputable organizations and people which are projected online on established websites for all to see vs 1 or 2 people on this forum?

I already showed you at the beginning of the thread how i said i could be wrong and how i don't understand arabic so i'll say it again just incase you forget that this already destroys your argument that i claim i know arabic better than someone else and i approached this thread with a pig headed attitude.

1 Insults, whore, pig headed, goose and so on.

This is a thread which you created for people to call you out in, knucklehead.

You also fail when it comes to knowing what calling out means.
It means to question a certain person to back up what they have said or shown. You call them out , as an individual to prove their opinion or stance .

All you're basically doing is failing at arguments then trying to distract from the issue by posting pathetic pictures of cats and insults.

The onus of proof is on you.

Ok let's see what my claims are and what i have to prove.

Claim 1.The vast majority of the translations of the quran on the noble quran website say that the earth was created in 6 days.

That's proven.

Claim 2

The actual original argument from the original thread you're talking about that you continually seem to move away from is an argument about the english language. My claim is that the english use for the word days in the context of "six days" would never mean anything other than six, twenty four hour time periods.

I don't know if i did prove this but i still can't think of any way other than six, twenty four hour time periods the words "six days" could be used.

All you do is basically fight against claims i never said, I never said i knew arabic better than anyone else you know i proved that so now you move onto saying i think my opinions of translations are better than anyone else so try and copy and paste to me at any point where i said that's the case.
You won't be able to because i already said i don't know arabic and I'm open to the fact i might be wrong about the translations.

You

I don't have an agenda here to defend Islam - I hate Islam. You have failed to acknowledge that you're criticizing the ENGLISH translation of an ARABIC text.

Me

This is me trying to tell a muslim that the word day means 24 hours in english as en expression of a time period and then being banned

This is me typing from the 2nd line down on the thread you're talking about, so have i failed to acknowledge I'm criticizing the english translation? OR have i specifically said this is an argument about the english translation between me and a muslim on the islamic forum about what the word day means in ENGLISH as an expression of a time period of 24 hours? Which one?

[Aractus]

and you're trying to tell us that what you have to say about the translation is more valid than what somebody has to say about the Arabic!

So now you realized you failed when you said i think i know arabic better so you move your argument over a notch and say i think i have a better opinion of translations than someone else....ok

Go and practise falling down would you? You're pretty good at it, but with a bit of practise I think one day you would be fucking magnificent at failing.

Moved my argument over?? This is what I said before:

• How about here where TWO members (myself and EGross) both explained to you the limitations of translating so that if somebody tells you that, for instance, the Arabic is not as strictly literal as the English may appear, you are not qualified to provide a rebuttal. Yet like a pig-headed goose you persist with telling us what it says explicitly based on translations, and rejecting the opinions of people more qualified than you on Arabic!!!

And this is what you think is my "new argument"?

• You have failed to acknowledge that you're criticizing the ENGLISH translation of an ARABIC text. It doesn't matter what you say about it, how solid you think your argument is, you're not working with the original, you're working with a translation, and you're trying to tell us that what you have to say about the translation is more valid than what somebody has to say about the Arabic!!

My opinion of the 5 translations i showed you is that the people who did the 5 translations must have had the opinion that their translations were correct, so the question really is do i value 5 translations of reputable organizations and people which are projected online on established websites for all to see vs 1 or 2 people on this forum?

It doesn't matter, no translation is perfect. We already explained this to you and you refuse to accept it.

I already showed you at the beginning of the thread how i said i could be wrong and how i don't understand arabic so i'll say it again just incase you forget that this already destroys your argument that i claim i know arabic better than someone else and i approached this thread with a pig headed attitude.

I never said you claimed to know Arabic, and saying I did shows me that you can't comprehend even the most simple and civil criticism; and that you typically employ straw-man arguments.

You also fail when it comes to knowing what calling out means.
It means to question a certain person to back up what they have said or shown. You call them out , as an individual to prove their opinion or stance .

I'm calling you out on your bullshit, we can all smell it. You seem to be the only one who can't smell the BS that you spew from your mouth!

All you're basically doing is failing at arguments then trying to distract from the issue by posting pathetic pictures of cats and insults.

All you're doing is falling down, making straw man arguments, and then repeating.

Ok let's see what my claims are and what i have to prove.

Claim 1.The vast majority of the translations of the quran on the noble quran website say that the earth was created in 6 days.

That's proven.

Again, I'm not interested in what translations say. If translations unite together against the original, which is preferred? The original, obviously. We have the original, thus anything you say about translations in an attempt to attack it is meaningless. I don't give a shit about the Qur'an FYI, I just can't stand the rotten stench of your pathetic bullshit. Now please, get a hold of yourself, man up and admit that you were wrong.

Claim 2

The actual original argument from the original thread you're talking about that you continually seem to move away from is an argument about the english language. My claim is that the english use for the word days in the context of "six days" would never mean anything other than six, twenty four hour time periods.

The Qur'an wasn't written in English, thus what rules and principles apply to the English language in relation to its text is wholly irrelevant.

I don't know if i did prove this but i still can't think of any way other than six, twenty four hour time periods the words "six days" could be used.

In English? In English. So what? The Qur'an wasn't written in English. You're wasting everybody's time.

No kindly go and fuck off.

[paulpablo]

Haha your arguments are nonsensical and i destroyed your arguments one by one in my last post.
You're simply trying to prolong and confuse the argument now, I'll make it simple for you.
You called me arrogant yet you were the one who was arrogant, I KNOW you never said i know arabic, what you said is that i THINK i know arabic, when clearly i stated several times i don't here I'll just remind you what was said in the posts again

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Me

his is me trying to tell a muslim that the word day means 24 hours in english as en expression of a time period and then being banned

Clearly saying I was arguing about the english translation.

Me

I dont understand classic arabic but if all that is true then why can i search the quran on the internet now and find at least 7 definitions that contradict what youre saying?

Me

Im also open to the fact that i might be wrong, but yes its the translations i showed you before

Me

Like i said i dont know arabic but it seems strange to me and i will look into it more.

Me

I included the one that used the translation "period" because i am fair, i will admit that 1 of the 6 translations didnt use the word day but it still doesnt explain why the rest of them did use the word day.

Then you barge in claiming this

Though I don't agree with you, I can see you know you're Arabic well unlike the OP who thinks he knows more about a language he's never studied.

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So I'll ask you again and this time please try and answer the question i asked, did i claim that i know more about arabic? or more about any language other than english?

The best thing you have managed to come up with is insults.... fuck off knucklehead pig headed goose attention whore... and some pictures of cats.
Do you normally have debates with children is that were you picked these tactics up from?

You also fail when it comes to knowing what calling out means.
It means to question a certain person to back up what they have said or shown. You call them out , as an individual to prove their opinion or stance .
You said

I'm calling you out on your bullshit, we can all smell it. You seem to be the only one who can't smell the BS that you spew from your mouth!

OK but you still misunderstand the term calling out, I asked you why you had to resort to insults and you said it's because you're calling me out, calling out isn't the same as insulting someone.

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[paulpablo]

You said

I never said you claimed to know Arabic, and saying I did shows me that you can't comprehend even the most simple and civil criticism; and that you typically employ straw-man arguments.

You talking to someone else about me

Though I don't agree with you, I can see you know you're Arabic well unlike the OP who thinks he knows more about a language he's never studied.

You said someone knows their arabic well unlike me and that i think i know more about it. So either you can read minds and you know what i think or you're basing this from some sort of statement of mine which i didn't make.

As i said in the actual thread, before you claimed i think i know more about a language I've never studied.

I dont understand classic arabic

Im also open to the fact that i might be wrong

Like i said i dont know arabic

[catfish]