The Absolute Truth

[Angrboda]

Isn't the will governed by wisdom? Why would the internet be different from any other kind of information, in providing direction for the soul to apprehend.

It is also governed by foolishness.

I think most atheists here would readily embrace wisdom. They just don't see you, what you have to say, or what led you to it, to be in any sense wise.


"Facts are ventriloquists' dummies. Sitting on a wise man's knee they may be made to utter words of wisdom; elsewhere, they say nothing, or talk nonsense, or indulge in sheer diabolism."
— Aldous Huxley

[jstrodel]

What should this be directed to? Should it be for selfish desires, or for holiness. I think it should be for holiness.

Everyone knows the internet is for free porn.

Your sarcasm masks a dark emptiness and an uneasiness with confronting the most serious questions with honesty and courage. Cynicism is the attitude of people that lack these qualities and would prefer the obscurantism of an empty response to the sincerity of an honest but insufficient one.

Believe me, I have been there.

[Whateverist]

Everyone knows the internet is for free porn.

Your sarcasm masks a dark emptiness and an uneasiness ..

Sadly it does nothing to mask the spots on his pants. (Use more tissue.)

[ronedee]

And here is the Atheistic paradox....You are willing to accept the fact that there are things you don't know about.....BUT, God is not one of them! Even IF He created EVERYTHING!

On the contrary. I am willing to accept that there are things we don't know about... including god. It seems to me that the only difference between us is that you ponder the lack of evidence for god and decide that he's there, and I ponder the lack of evidence and decide that he's not. You are able to provide as much proof for his existence as I am able to provide against it. For everything except god, we'd reach the same conclusion.

Well tonus I have to give you credit for having the chones to respond to that statement... none of your compardres did...but then you wouldn't be the stereotypical Atheist with those remarks now either.

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Not all gods are omnipotent. Christians often claim their god is omnipotent, but since Christians follow a false god, it's a moot point.

You're so informed, and knowledgeable! Why do we look any further for truth and wisdom with you around?!

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Sometimes I think all the "omni-" words fall into what I call "church-speak", phrases that get used so often they become meaningless. I find it helpful to toy around with the order to see subtle shift in undestanding. What if instead of calling God 'All powerful' we said 'power over all', or suppose instead of 'all knowing' we just say he knows everything there is to know?

To which I always want to ask but what if your god turned out only to be pretty darned powerful, but not over everything. And what if it only knew way more than anyone else but far less than everything. Would you then send it packing for it having failed to live up to your expectation? How could people then (or now for that matter) possibly take the measure of the god you believe in accurately? Are you equipped to make that measurement? Who is?

Isn't it easier just to believe? Really now....What harm is there to believe there is an Almighty God, who has a plan that we can't really understand and grasp fully yet?

Do you feel like you will have to prostate yourself, or bow repeatedly to thin air? Or, have to do all kinds of ritualistic sacrafices to please Him?

I mean..."IF" there is a God, He really hasn't given us any first-hand info but the Ten Commandments...Right? And the "Be fruitful and multiply" thingy.

What is wrong with living according to His commandments and having your own belief system, but rooted in Good, and God?

Or...is it really rebellion against whatever represents God to you that is the real reason for disbelief?

Most every Atheist here wants some kind of "proof" that God exists...But how do you get proof if you deny His existence?

Matt 7:7
"Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you."

Reminds me of the monkey in a cage story:

Hand a chimp an apple from outside the bars of his cage. He will rip his hand raw to get it in through the bars....when all he needs to do is put the apple up to the bars and eat it through them!

Atheists need to put the question of God in their hearts to find the answer.

But you won't...because you know best! And how could a mear God be smarter than you?

[The Grand Nudger]

Isn't it easier just to believe?

In Odin

Really now....What harm is there to believe there is an Almighty God, who has a plan that we can't really understand and grasp fully yet

Named Odin.

Do you feel like you will have to prostate yourself, or bow repeatedly to thin air? Or, have to do all kinds of ritualistic sacrafices to please Him?

Do you deny that you do?

I mean..."IF" there is a God, He really hasn't given us any first-hand info but the Ten Commandments...Right? And the "Be fruitful and multiply" thingy.

Huh? No, that shit is garbage. Havamal.

What is wrong with living according to His commandments and having your own belief system, but rooted in Good, and God?

You tell me, you're the one that isn't following Odin's commands or making sacrifices.

Or...is it really rebellion against whatever represents God to you that is the real reason for disbelief?

Why are you so rebellious of whatever represents Odin to you?

Most every Atheist here wants some kind of "proof" that God exists...But how do you get proof if you deny His existence?

Are you implying that my lack of belief in a god has some sort of magical ability to erase evidence or proof of a gods existence....I suppose that would explain why you don't have any then - I'm far too powerful a wizard...apparently......

[Neo-Scholastic]

...Once I fully understood the Victory of Christ, I stopped being a slave to them and they have all but gone away.

...this is more particular of a way of being or thinking, and doesn't necessarily include Christ or even a god...the god being a part of that path may be purely incidental, and not in any way the cause of the nature of the change.

If that's what you feel you have to believe, then so be it. As for me, the person who had the experience, I know what I know. Dennett be damned.

[Esquilax]

Isn't it easier just to believe? Really now....What harm is there to believe there is an Almighty God, who has a plan that we can't really understand and grasp fully yet?

Oh yes, it's very easy to believe. That's why you do it, at the most basic level.

It's much much easier to believe that a god made everything with space magic than it is to actually bother to investigate and find the real reasons why things work the way they do. It's much easier to just take the word of some ancient book on the origins of life than to care about studying it, and taxing your brain with the hard answers that are no less true for being challenging. It's such a pleasant shortcut to have your morality spelled out for you, to like what the book tells you to like and hate the people the book tells you to hate for no reason, than to bother with some introspection and internal honesty, in order to formulate a system of belief for which you have actual, personal justifications. It's the easiest thing in the world to be told what to do, rather than to think.

Just because something is easy, doesn't make it true, or right that one should follow it. You want us to convert, then you put in the intellectual legwork to prove it to us, and even if you do, don't expect us to just follow everything in the book on faith.

"Isn't it easier to just believe?" What a crock of shit...

[EGross]

Ever see the movie or play "Harvey"? What harm was there in Elwood believing in Harvey? His best friend. He was happy. His life was fulfilled. And everyone loved Elwood. Elwood was the kind of person people wanted to be. And it was easy for him to do that. And his sister sometimes felt like she could believe in Harvey too. And Elwood showed Harvey to an unbeliever, who was converted and walked in his ways.

What's the harm?

He is a pooka. A supernatural being who only existed in Elwood's mind.

Harvey is a metaphor for all religious beliefs in a malevolent/benevolent powerful supernatural being.