New atheist.. question

[fr0d0]

Yes, I already get that you are ignorant of the subject. Please apply your own conclusions to yourself.

Alright, if the best argument you've got is, "Cool story bro." I won't hold it against you.

Yeah you really should take an interest in something if you're going to comment on it. Otherwise you're going to look like a dick like you do here

[Sagasa]

Yeah you really should take an interest in something if you're going to comment on it. Otherwise you're going to look like a dick like you do here

You mean I'm acting like a dick by pointing out that at some point in religion, everyone eventually has to stop using logic and take a leap of faith? Right, because obviously that's offensive and misinformed and just plain incorrect.

[fr0d0]

Just incorrect covers it. Making a sweeping statement based on that makes you look like a dick, especially when you've just held up diligence and honesty as ideals.

[Sagasa]

Just incorrect covers it. Making a sweeping statement based on that makes you look like a dick, especially when you've just held up diligence and honesty as ideals.

So what you're saying is, there are people who believe who don't simply rely on faith? Believers who don't stop at the statement, "God is far above our ways"? Believers who don't find that statement intellectually satisfying and poke and prod until they find an answer that is? Because if there were, I would like to meet them. They seem to be an endangered species.

[CapnAwesome]

Welcome. My response to stuff like that is to always back up the argument. I don't really care about the morality in the bible because I don't believe in the bible. If they say you can't know God's plan or the mind of God, tell them "maybe because he doesn't exist." A simple answer to a ridiculous statement.

[jstrodel]

Just incorrect covers it. Making a sweeping statement based on that makes you look like a dick, especially when you've just held up diligence and honesty as ideals.

So what you're saying is, there are people who believe who don't simply rely on faith? Believers who don't stop at the statement, "God is far above our ways"? Believers who don't find that statement intellectually satisfying and poke and prod until they find an answer that is? Because if there were, I would like to meet them. They seem to be an endangered species.

You misunderstand the nature of faith. Faith is not blindness, it is learning with God. Faith is more certain than reason. Faith is not fideism. You write as someone that has very little knowledge of spirituality. The reduction of religious epistemology to fideism is a mistake that originates from people that have very, very little understanding of the nature of real Christianity, which is not irrational and does not owe its origins to contemporary trends in the universities. Perhaps you were unfortunate enough to be raised in a family that had a bastardized form of Christianity, "religious Christianity". I am sorry if this is the case. Real Christianity is learning with God, it is far from blind, although God does not promise anywhere that God will show people everything God has given me the answers to pretty much everything I have sought Him on. But God if he is to be sought must be sought earnestly. The half seeker will find nothing.

[Minimalist]

You can have certain knowledge of some aspects of God's character and not necessarily have certain knowledge of other aspects.

Once you demonstrate that there is a god....yes. You are a long way from reaching that goal.

[fr0d0]

So what you're saying is, there are people who believe who don't simply rely on faith?

No. What I'm saying is: you display a misunderstanding of faith. What it is and what it constitutes.

[Sagasa]

Faith is more certain than reason.

If you actually think this, I can already see that we're not going to find any sort of common ground.

[jstrodel]

You can have certain knowledge of some aspects of God's character and not necessarily have certain knowledge of other aspects.

Once you demonstrate that there is a god....yes. You are a long way from reaching that goal.

From demonstrating it to you, that is true. But I don't have to demonstrate it to you. Maybe I can't demonstrate it to you because you aren't capable of receiving it. Perhaps the low evidential status of Christianity in your mind is not from a failure of Christianity, it is a failure of you to appreciate the arguments, seek God on God's own terms and combine seeking God with sanctification and purifying yourself.

WITHOUT HOLINESS NO ONE WILL SEE THE LORD

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Faith is more certain than reason.

If you actually think this, I can already see that we're not going to find any sort of common ground.

Define faith. I bet you will turn to m-w.com, the source that theologians use to define terms like that (hahah).