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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I expect a perfect God to have the ability to communicate a single, consistent message to four people, He did.
Quote:something even the dumbest electronic device can do flawlessly. When I post this message, it will appear identically for everyone who chooses to read it (I daresay it will be more than four), regardless of whether they believe I am real or agree with what I have to say.
If your God is unwilling or incapable of that, the problem isn't my understanding.
Consistent /= identical.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 5:37 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm)John V Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I expect a perfect God to have the ability to communicate a single, consistent message to four people, He did.
Quote:something even the dumbest electronic device can do flawlessly. When I post this message, it will appear identically for everyone who chooses to read it (I daresay it will be more than four), regardless of whether they believe I am real or agree with what I have to say.
If your God is unwilling or incapable of that, the problem isn't my understanding.
Consistent /= identical.
First off, God should be able to deliver one message to all of them. How they made those kinds of errors with the same message from God is beyond me.
Second, they're not consistent! Even if you were to argue that consistent doesn't necessarily mean they'll be identical, the accounts aren't very consistent at all.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 6:16 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm)John V Wrote: [quote='Ryantology' pid='417372' dateline='1363727957']
Consistent /= identical.
You don't hold your God to very high standards.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 6:33 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 6:16 pm)Ryantology Wrote: You don't hold your God to very high standards. He's God, not me - he can choose whatever standards he wants. God should have..., or If I were God I would have... arguments don't impress me. He's God. He can do what he wants.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions re: resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2013 at 6:48 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure, a god -could- choose whatever standard it wanted, but that's a fairly useless distinction, as the standard itself is still subject to criticism. Nor does simply choosing another standard insulate said god (or his cronies) from criticism. Your god isn't concerned by my standards, and I am not concerned by his, fair enough.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 7:07 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 6:33 pm)John V Wrote: He's God, not me - he can choose whatever standards he wants.
That's understood. The question then is, why choose such low standards?
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions re: resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 7:08 pm
The god of the lowest common denominator?
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions re: resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Quote:He did.
Is that why there are thousands of different religions...all claiming to be the sole arbiters of the truth...running around making a fucking nuisance of themselves?
Your god is quite inept...for a "god."
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 19, 2013 at 7:12 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 6:33 pm)John V Wrote: He's God, not me - he can choose whatever standards he wants.
Your God has pitifully low standards regarding perfection, compared to mine.
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RE: Handy chart of Gospel contradictions resurrection story
March 20, 2013 at 11:12 am
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(March 19, 2013 at 7:07 pm)Tonus Wrote: That's understood. Not by everyone. A number of atheist arguments boil down I would have done it differently...
Quote:The question then is, why choose such low standards?
They're normal, everyday standards. I would suppose he used such because his target audience includes common people. Legal standards have been suggested as an alternative, but I don't see why you'd use those unless lawyers were your target audience.
(March 19, 2013 at 7:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The god of the lowest common denominator? I'm sure you ask this disparagingly, but basically, yes - he's reaching out to everyone, not just people with lofty intellectual standards like yourself.
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