The price of attonement???

[The Grand Nudger]

I really outta look into it, wife's been laid up after the baby for weeks (and the lead in was brutal too) - and on top of it, the sex festival just went down. I'm starting to feel a little antsy. Truth be told, I'd just get her to pull on it for me.

It's so common for the magically minded to drop some grandiose bullshit casually into a conversation...and then decline to elaborate when it's picked out. But please, rather than explaining that little remark, we'll go with jokes about yanking our dicks...cuz that's what you're doing to me anyway, aint it?

( i need to find tibs a moneyshot smiley to go with the jerk)

[FallentoReason]

The verse (or more accurately verses) in question in this case happen to be some horseshit about human sacrifice and the laying of ones burdens on another. How my objection to this qualifies my heart as hardened is a mystery to me. You could always explain that though - since Drich seems to be incapable.

I think it's a mild variation of "you're an atheist because you're angry at God". They both achieve the same thing: "na na na na I can't hear you na na na na the Bible said you would act like this na na na na"

[Ryantology]

Is that how you spend most of your time? Seems like you know a lot about it.

It's so much more fun when you're not paranoid that Jesus is watching.

Frankly, I think what some of our local Christian missionaries are missing is some good, solid fucking.

[Drich]

There isn't going to become a point where your ghost stories become an authority on my heart, or the nature of the human heart Drich. You do realize that, don't you? Everytime you fall back on it that reinforces what I said about how uncomfortable you are confronted with my heart, my nature. If your fairy tales say one thing about the contents of my experience - and I say another......guess who the authority is between the two?

Didn't i just point out by a long standing standard of man that your 'experiences' were not complete? That you only described 3 of the 4 known expressions of Love?

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Don't be so hard on yourself I would say it just mild ignorance mixed with a whole lot of pride. I don't believe you to be incompetent.

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Drich, it's not about how genuine you are or not. The off and on switch happens despite a person being genuine about their beliefs. Do you honestly never go through phases where you see people without lenses of your religion?

No, I do not believe a genuine person would. Maybe you do not understand how I am using the word. A genuine person in this instance literally practices what he/she preaches.

[The Grand Nudger]

"People totally believed this for a long time, so it must be indicative of your emotional status - no matter what you, the one experiencing that emotion - has to say on the matter." Again, you've failed to demonstrate that there is any love to be seen in scapegoating - and you've spent considerable amounts of time avoiding that as best you can. Regardless of whether or not my experiences are complete, you must make your own case. Did I already tell you to get back to me when you were done fantasizing about me? I'm sure I did.

Incompetence.

[Drich]

How does 'changing testaments' (An academic note) have anything to do with the Character of God? (what is actually being discussed.)

The changing of testaments is not the issue. You are making it so because you do not want to tackle the fact that god's character does change, thus making your assertion that he is unchangeable utterly false.

If you believe this to be true then you do not understand the God of the bible.
Oh, and I 'answered your question' in three different threads already, here is the latest one: http://atheistforums.org/thread-16745.html

[Silver]

If you believe this to be true then you do not understand the God of the bible.

As catfish stated: 2. The name as originally revealed to Moses was : אֶהְיֶה = I am that I am (OR) I shall become who I am becoming. That hardly sounds like an unchanging God, eh?

[Drich]

Again, you've failed to demonstrate that there is any love to be seen in scapegoating - and you've spent considerable amounts of time avoiding that as best you can. Regardless of whether or not my experiences are complete, you must make your own case.

Me: ..And here are my pictures from my trip to the Grand cayon. This place is truly magestic, words are not enough to describe the scale and scope of everything that can be seen.

you: Meh, by the pictures it doesn't look so "grand."

Me: Well, the pictures can only show you what is front of the lens. Being in the physical presence of the cayon is completely different, the landscape goes on and on in every direction, there is almost a sense of being enveloped by the scale of the scenery.

You: meh, I still can't see it, from what you've said nor to the pictures you have. I've never experienced anything like what you are describing, so it can not exist.

Me: Then you have to go, I'll tell you what I will sponser your trip if you simply X/Y/Z. You will be amazed!

You: Meh, no point, because you can't describe the grand caynon in such vivid detail it allows me to experience something I have never experienced before, going there and experiencing it myself will do nothing for me.

Me: That is why I want to help you go there so you can experience it yourself. Why not experience what is in question rather than closing your mind to it before you even know what you are talking about?

You: Your incompentant because you can't sell me on something I never seen, heard, of or experienced, and am afraid to experience so i will simply shut down every effort you put fourth.

Me: That is why I am not going to play that game, but will offer you a ticket to see for yourself if you still want to go. If not then simply move on.

You: I don't want to move on i want to call you names so you can point out to everyone what a d-bag I am.

Me: Done.

you:

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If you believe this to be true then you do not understand the God of the bible.

As catfish stated: 2. The name as originally revealed to Moses was : אֶהְיֶה = I am that I am (OR) I shall become who I am becoming. That hardly sounds like an unchanging God, eh?

Book Chapter and Verse, or am i simply to take your word or fishies word for it?

[The Grand Nudger]

Lemme fix this up for you,

More accurately........

Me: ..And here are my pictures from my trip to the Grand cayon. This place is truly magestic, words are not enough to describe the scale and scope of everything that can be seen.

I don't have any pictures, and I am not competent enough to describe the grand canyon to you in words.

Me: Well, the pictures can only show you what is front of the lens. Being in the physical presence of the cayon is completely different, the landscape goes on and on in every direction, there is almost a sense of being enveloped by the scale of the scenery.

Since I don't have any pictures, I am incapable of showing you anything - and again, I lack the ability to competently describe the scene I'm attempting to communicate to you.

Me: Then you have to go, I'll tell you what I will sponser your trip if you simply X/Y/Z. You will be amazed!

Unfortunately the place isn't located on any map, no one has ever found it.

Me: That is why I want to help you go there so you can experience it yourself. Why not experience what is in question rather than closing your mind to it before you even know what you are talking about?

I want to help you experience something, but I have no pictures of it, I cannot describe it, and it is nowhere to be found.

Me: That is why I am not going to play that game, but will offer you a ticket to see for yourself if you still want to go. If not then simply move on.

I can't find a way to win this game with you, so I'll piss and moan about it, regretful that I even attempted to play - I'd offer you a ticket - but sadly I can't establish that I possess such a ticket, cannot show you such a ticket, and cannot describe such a ticket.

Me: Done.

Right after this next post...and the next one.,..and the one after that, and.....

Do you plan on turning scapegoating into love at any point? Are you even going to make the attempt? That's all there is, that's all that's required. I still won't believe, but at least something disgusting will have disappeared from this world.

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Book Chapter and Verse, or am i simply to take your word or fishies word for it?

If you do not know where to find Moses in the bible, you are not a very good Christian, are you?