For the logic impaired...

[Joel]

First, you must demonstrate why we should believe what the bible says, and not what the vedas, quran or any of the other hundreds of 'holy books' say.

[justin]

The fetus is part of the woman's body. SeperateSeparate them as individuals and the fetus stops growing. Its her choice to make.

[festive1]

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Matthew 18:6 and whoever ensnares one of these little ones who trust me, it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be drowned in the open sea! 7 Woe to the world because of snares! For there must be snares, but woe to the person who sets the snare!

Luke 17:1 Yeshua said to his talmidim, “It is impossible that snares will not be set. But woe to the person who sets them! 2 It would be to his advantage that he have a millstone hung around his neck and he be thrown into the sea, rather than that he ensnare one of these little ones.

Mark 9:42 Whoever ensnares one of these little ones who trust me — it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown in the sea.

Isaiah 13:11 “I will punish the world for its evil
and the wicked for their iniquity.
I will end the arrogance of the proud
and humble the insolence of tyrants.
12 I will make humans rarer than gold,
scarcer than Ofir’s pure gold.
13 This is why I will make the heavens tremble,
and the earth will be shaken from its place
at the wrath of Adonai-Tzva’ot
on the day of his fierce anger.

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[The Grand Nudger]

thanks...thanks for that. I had no idea.

Thing is though, as with any medical procedure: if it's legal and subsidized, everyone will be doing it.
I'm pro choice in the end, but I think there needs to be regulations and huge preventative measures.
I'm not the one making the laws, never will be. Thus I can say what I feel and I feel a late term abortion is inhumane.

Well, dentists visits are legalized and subsidized.....if you think that "everyone will be doing it" fits - you've clearly never been to Kentucky. Laying that aside. I suppose you and I are in similar boats. I'm entirely, personally, opposed to the idea of abortion except as a lifesaving precaution. I won't tell a female she's "wrong" in the sense that it;s so commonly taken. I would simply prefer that there be more of us, rather than fewer - and I would not want to have been aborted myself (my mother made it as far as the door - as she's often fond of telling me..lol). That said, my desire to see more of us, my aversion to the notion of abortion....is not strong enough reason to bar others from having them. It doesn't carry enough weight, wouldn't matter if 99% of "the people" agreed with me - because last I checked - we are not a democracy where the mob rules.

A fun little hueristic about law (can't remember where I first heard this one) and your personal appraisal of it's value. Take any thing at all. Imagine that in fantasyland it is a crime, a severe one. Now imagine that you witnessed someone committing that crime. Would you turn them in? Ultimately what you are considering is your level of complicity in the enforcement of law. It's subtle, but important, because as "the people" we -are- complicit in the enforcement of our laws. Our dollars, our reps, they're doing all of this -for us- ostensibly. It would surprise me if there was anything, any law or debate about a law where there weren't folks with positions similar to ours, because I've drawn up that little list a few times (at different times in my life...it changes..in my case...apparently) and it always surprises me. That's how I find myself, personally, opposing abortion - but unwilling to enforce my opposition upon another - namely the one carrying the parasite.

[fr0d0]

The fetus is part of the woman's body. SeperateSeparate them as individuals and the fetus stops growing. Its her choice to make.

Is that an accidental use of the word 'individual'?

[Minimalist]

What does the rights of a new born have to do with supporting a child? Adoption services can take care of that, and even if they couldn't it is not the issue. What does that have to do with whether a child is a legally protected life?

You're as fucking stupid as he is. Do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? EVER? Child Welfare agencies are creaking under the strain....helped along by religious fuckwitted assholes ( look in a mirror) who insist that kids be born while their tea-bagging congressmen are cutting social services. You dickheads don't give a flying fuck about that fetus once it is born.

Like I said, you guys are real quick to tell someone else how to live their fucking lives but you are never there to give them a helping hand.

Fuck you, strudel. And your fucking worthless god.

[fr0d0]

Conflating an ethically unjustifiable act with abandoning innocent children has to be the most extreme plea to emotion. Get over yourself.

[justin]

The fetus is part of the woman's body. SeperateSeparate them as individuals and the fetus stops growing. Its her choice to make.

Is that an accidental use of the word 'individual'?

No. But apperantly my phone decided i need to say separate twice. Lol. my phone had this update and has been messing up. My bad. But I ment individual as in individual bodies from what the picture was stating.

[fr0d0]

One individual is dependant upon the other individual, but they remain individuals. Dependancy doesn't grant the host power to overcome their responsibility to the other individual.

[Something completely different]

Matthew 18:6 and whoever ensnares one of these little ones who trust me, it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be drowned in the open sea! 7 Woe to the world because of snares! For there must be snares, but woe to the person who sets the snare!

Luke 17:1 Yeshua said to his talmidim, “It is impossible that snares will not be set. But woe to the person who sets them! 2 It would be to his advantage that he have a millstone hung around his neck and he be thrown into the sea, rather than that he ensnare one of these little ones.

Mark 9:42 Whoever ensnares one of these little ones who trust me — it would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown in the sea.

Isaiah 13:11 “I will punish the world for its evil
and the wicked for their iniquity.
I will end the arrogance of the proud
and humble the insolence of tyrants.
12 I will make humans rarer than gold,
scarcer than Ofir’s pure gold.
13 This is why I will make the heavens tremble,
and the earth will be shaken from its place
at the wrath of Adonai-Tzva’ot
on the day of his fierce anger.

LOL!!

What makes you think that this matters anymore than the scribblings in any other book!?
What makes you think that this book has more authority to tell people what to do than, well,.. let`s say: Mao`s red book? The Quoran? Mein Kampf? or any other!?

Modern sociaty doesnt orientate itself arround totalitarian authoritarianism!

It orientates itself arround the addaption to make sociaty more benefitial for all it`s participants in any given situation!

So shove your bible up your ass! Or show me the phrase in the bible which gives authority over modern concepts such as credit fraud, tax evasion, copyright, billateral agreements, and other - whilest taking opposing views into consideration and includes them in a democratic process!