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Nobody believes abortion is murder
RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
@ miss cluckie
I think ethically and scientifically a person exists from conception. 'Personality' is forged immediately. To try to separate human from person is a thinly veiled attempt to dodge responsibility.

I don't agree really with the law getting involved at all. A moral choice ceases to be a moral choice once any choice is removed.

@ kitchie
The "most people" I refer to don't really go to church and have a vague belief in god. They aren't "Christian" as they haven't understood what it means to be one or made any commitment. I don't know why the churches allow it to be honest.

Funny thing: the SA have what they call 'dedication' services for babies.
And for adults there is an event to become a full member, or 'soldier'.
There's just no water involved in either.
Along with the Methodists we're referred to as the great unwashed.
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
(April 8, 2013 at 2:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Funny thing: the SA have what they call 'dedication' services for babies.

So you DO have a bapstismal of sorts.

(April 8, 2013 at 2:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: And for adults there is an event to become a full member, or 'soldier'.

Same as above


(April 8, 2013 at 2:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: There's just no water involved in either.
Along with the Methodists we're referred to as the great unwashed.

Who said there had to be water involved? I didn't. you own uninformed prejudice did that.

Great "unwashed"? Funny how many SA 'soldiers' I have know over the years fit that description. Do you have an aversion to washing and water?

What were you saying about how I don't know anything about your religion?
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
You missed the bit about children not becoming Christians at baptism kitch. But then you'd have nothing to go moron on my ass about right?

Yeah, that's why I told you that stuff. *fore head slap *
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
No fr0d0, I didn't miss it. It's the same as children/ adults becoming SA at this baptism of yours. Same shit different label and you are unable to claim exclusivity.

keep slapping you head fr0d0...maybe you will have some knowledge leak in someday.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
(April 7, 2013 at 10:01 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I'm confused as to what we're arguing about. Is it personhood? Because a person is defined as a self-sufficed individual.
Is it being human? Because isn't that when the dna from the egg and sperm combine?
What is being argued!? Where do we start? Is there any common ground where we can say an embryo is not life, or a fetus is life?
Why is potential life considered life? When it's only potential life?
I'm so confused by you guys. I know my stance on the matter, but that doesn't matter in relation to everyone else and that's what's important.
The constitutionality in US law mentions viability?


Personhood is actually defined in many ways, both legally and philosophically. At times in our country our laws denied personhood to slaves, women, children, and to those who didn't own property...by law they had very limited to no rights at all that the courts had to recognize...Were those laws just and right that denied personhood to those people? As far as I see it, life begins when the egg is fertilized...if there were no life in it, it wouldn't grow and develop...I don't buy into the potential life crap...it's either life, or it isn't...the 'potential life' term is just a campaigning strategy by the pro-abortion crowd to desensitize the public to abortion.
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
(April 8, 2013 at 8:33 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: No fr0d0, I didn't miss it. It's the same as children/ adults becoming SA at this baptism of yours. Same shit different label and you are unable to claim exclusivity.

keep slapping you head fr0d0...maybe you will have some knowledge leak in someday.

So you admit that your original point was incorrect. That child baptism is nothing to do with the kids being Christian, right?
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RE: Nobody believes abortion is murder
(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)A Theist Wrote: Despite the current abortion laws that deny personhood to the human fetus...I think those laws are wrong...I want to see an end to unlimited access to abortion on demand and heavily restricted only to cases involving rape and in cases where the life of the mother is threatened....Pro Abortionists seem to love that blood!

At least you're not confused about the difference between 'unlawful' and 'wrong'. Catfish seems to think gay marriage being unlawful is the key to the whole issue.

(April 8, 2013 at 9:51 am)A Theist Wrote: Personhood is actually defined in many ways, both legally and philosophically. At times in our country our laws denied personhood to slaves, women, children, and to those who didn't own property...by law they had very limited to no rights at all that the courts had to recognize...Were those laws just and right that denied personhood to those people? As far as I see it, life begins when the egg is fertilized...if there were no life in it, it wouldn't grow and develop...I don't buy into the potential life crap...it's either life, or it isn't...the 'potential life' term is just a campaigning strategy by the pro-abortion crowd to desensitize the public to abortion.

Good point, I would call BS on someone calling a fetus 'potentially alive' too, although I can't actually recall anyone using that phrase. Fetuses are alive. I don't see how 'being alive' is an argument against killing them, we kill things that are alive all the time. Isn't the actual argument, though, 'potentially a person'?

Arguments for abortion remaining legal include disagreeing when a fetus becomes a person. You think it's at conception, but I don't see how something that doesn't have a brain bigger than a fruit fly's can be considered a person. I couldn't say at what point it does become a person, that's like trying to say on what day does someone become an adult. Another argument is that, regardless of personhood, the State doesn't have (or should not have) the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term (literally, forced labor) against her will.
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