I'm offended by Islam

[Mystical]

I like your guys' conversation actually, you should continue it.

[Gooders1002]

I like your guys' conversation actually, you should continue it.

On a different thread, my dear, on a different thread.

[Mystical]

Well naturally Lemme know if you start one up, I'd like to sit at the sidelines for that

[Minimalist]

You are offended by Islam? Ok, what about all the other cults based on naked assertions?

Xtians...much as I despise most of them...rarely put fatwas out to kill authors or cartoonists who make fun of their godboy. These towel-headed fuckers have a tendency to do that.

Surely you can see the difference in their reactions?

[Muslim Scholar]

I would Type out the reasons why but Pat has me covered, he is saying what we are all thinking.

And I completely agree.

Strangely, I agreed with both of you (in most points)

Here is some amazing facts about Islam
Islam is not the religion of Peace, it is the religion of Sword
It is intended for non-Muslim to be offended by Islam, not only that but to fight it as well.

all of that doesn't disprove Islam or to make it false
It is still the only true religion from God

[KichigaiNeko]

Evolution has a stud for so long, you may see about clearing.
Heck, I even get you started:
http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reas...n-is-true/

Oh I believe in evolution, I just don't believe in Darwinian evolution. There is a notable difference. I even tend to believe in common descent. The reason why the Creator would've created it like that, maybe for the sake of medicine and science and study of genetics.

However, I do believe science also proves some systems are irreducible complex (even though not everything in the system is irreducible), which to me, imply it was not all random mutations, but significant changes happened at one point that were not small changes over time.

This is not stated in certainty, it just seems that way, from seeing what various sides have to say about the issue and from what I reasoned and what seems like the evidence points to.

Also if evolution had been falsified, you would think we would not be having this conversation and the person who would have had falsified it would have gotten there noble prize.

Why do you believe that is the case? Is that the case with everything that has been falsified? If not, what makes evolution special in this regard?

What you haven't seemed to grasp Mystic is that evolution doesn't NEED you to "believe in it" it just is...no "magic" required...it really is that simple

[downbeatplumb]

That's the thing. Gradual steps suggest small changes. Small changes happen when it works best at each small stage. Each small stage has to be leading towards a whole system change. ie. little things that detect light towards a complicated system. Let's forget the eye. Let's go with any small system out there.

Let's talk about the mouse trap analogy because it's more simple. You have various parts right. But if they don't work together, then we have problem. It's useless.

You can talk about there being wooden planks on the ground in nature (analogy) but it doesn't mean the step of adding some useless parts that will lead eventually to a system of parts that is useful is possible. However, if it's guided by a designer, it can very well happen, because there is purpose.

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In the case of the turning thing in bacteria. This is an example Michael Behe cites. What's the point of developing that partially while it doesn't work? It's a mutation, then another mutation, then another mutation, that is all leading to a system, yet in between, those mutations were not useful until you have the system. OF course, once you get the turner, then all sorts of random mutations by natural selection, can lead to positive change in that turner and make it better. But it's to get to that turner that is the hard part and seemingly impossible, and even seemingly more unlikely to the very least.

Evolution makes use of what is available. Sometimes giving things entirely different uses. The best example I can think of is the double jointed jaw bones of early creatures being re-purposed as the bones of the inner ear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_o...y_ossicles

If it had a direction evolution would have just made really good double jointed jaws. We also end up with features that are not helpful because of the route evolution has taken. Womens hips are not ideal for child birth because we evolved from quadropeds our backs are prone to injury for the same reason. We have a vestigel tail and appendix. Even fertilisation has to take place in an environment that mimics the sea so the sperm can swim towards the egg.

[Mystic]

I made a new thread to keep on topic in this one.

[Something completely different]

Strangely, I agreed with both of you (in most points)

Here is some amazing facts about Islam
Islam is not the religion of Peace, it is the religion of Sword
It is intended for non-Muslim to be offended by Islam, not only that but to fight it as well.

all of that doesn't disprove Islam or to make it false
It is still the only true religion from God

In whatever country you may live. I hope that the police or any other internal security and intelligence service is surveiling you and ready to have you arrested as soon as you try something that will cause harm to others.

[Minimalist]

I would Type out the reasons why but Pat has me covered, he is saying what we are all thinking.

And I completely agree.

Strangely, I agreed with both of you (in most points)

Here is some amazing facts about Islam
Islam is not the religion of Peace, it is the religion of Sword
It is intended for non-Muslim to be offended by Islam, not only that but to fight it as well.

At least you are honest.

all of that doesn't disprove Islam or to make it false
It is still the only true religion from God

No. What disproves it is the lack of evidence for your fairy tales. In this, I am afraid, you are no different than the xtians you oppose.

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