Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?

[fr0d0]

My turn to ask a question are you J/W or Mormon?

It's always revealing that this question is never answered.

[Kayenneh]

I haven't gone any where. i check back here and read new posts two or three times aday. I even started a thread a week or so ago. My inactivity is due to the lack of content (By you good people) that I have purposed myself to speak to.

I am not here to argue for the sake of arguing.

Ah, forgive me for the confusion, my comment was for Alter2Ego, not for you Drich

[A_Nony_Mouse]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
I am a Christian and have the deepest respect for God's inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. I invite fellow Christians to participate in the questions for discussion. Two of the most basic teachings in Christendom are as follows:

Who told you it was the inspired word of some god and why did you believe them?

1. THE TRINITY
The teaching that God is split up into three individual persons that are combined into one "Godhead" (Father, Son, and holy ghost/holy spirit). All three of these persons are said to be CO-EQUAL (meaning they have the same power) and CO-ETERNAL (meaning they have always existed at the same time and none of them can die).

Sorry but very prosaic here. The Greeks held a person was composed of body, mind, soul and spirit. Take away the body and you have mind, soul and (holy) spirit. It is such a simple thing one has to wonder how Christians make such a big deal of it.

[Drich]

Hell Fire. Is Real and Scripture tells us it is eternal, and that it was stoked specifically for lucifer and his followers, meaning demons (not for us.)

ALTER2EGO -to- DRICH:
Please present scriptures that show hellfire torment is literal.

Although Hell fire may be eternal it does not mean our souls will be or rather the very delicate nature that defines our sanity (or makes us who we are) is garanteed. We all have our breaking points, once our grip or controled over our minds is gone/consumed by the present torment, and prospect of eternal Hell fire, then 'we' cease to be. Meaning even if some part of us is in Hell for eternity 'we' (our consciousness) will be consumed. That is what is referred to as the second death.

ALTER2EGO -to- DRICH:
Be sure and present scriptures that indicate "the very delicate nature that defines our sanity will be eternal." Also, I would like to see scriptures that indicate: "even if some part of us is in Hell for eternity 'we' (our consciousness) will be consumed."


QUESTION #1 to DRICH: If the "the very delicate nature that defines our sanity" is supposedly eternal, does that mean you believe part of us will still be conscious after we have physically died? YES or NO?

You have listed yourself as a Christian, Are you ashamed of your faith? Why else wouldn't you answer my very direct question? (Are you a mormon or a jehovah witness?) I will not be answering any of your questions until you answer mine. Qui pro quoe Clarice, Qui pro quoe.

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I haven't gone any where. i check back here and read new posts two or three times aday. I even started a thread a week or so ago. My inactivity is due to the lack of content (By you good people) that I have purposed myself to speak to.

I am not here to argue for the sake of arguing.

Ah, forgive me for the confusion, my comment was for Alter2Ego, not for you Drich

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
I am a Christian and have the deepest respect for God's inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. I invite fellow Christians to participate in the questions for discussion. Two of the most basic teachings in Christendom are as follows:

Who told you it was the inspired word of some god and why did you believe them?

ALTER2EGO -to- A NONY MOUSE:
Evidence that the Judeo-Christian Bible is inspired by Almighty God Jehovah is seen in the accurate fulfillment of nearly 2,000 Bible prophecies, many of which are confirmed by secular history and archeology.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Who told you it was the inspired word of some god and why did you believe them?

ALTER2EGO -to- A NONY MOUSE:
Evidence that the Judeo-Christian Bible is inspired by Almighty God Jehovah is seen in the accurate fulfillment of nearly 2,000 Bible prophecies, many of which are confirmed by secular history and archeology.

Who told you the prophecies were made before the events and why did you believe them?

Are you not aware the bible stories first appear in history in the mid 2nd c. BC long after the "prophecies" were fulfilled? Prophesies are easy when made after the fact. Back before Jimmy Carter was president I prophesied he would appear in The Daily Show to discuss the Guinea Worm. Why are you not impressed?

I can deal with your nonsense claims all day in the same way. I do hope you will continue to play.

[Whateverist]

ALTER2EGO -to- DRICH:
In that case, please provide a few examples of this "compilation of scripture" by quoting three or four of your best scriptures that prove the aforementioned. Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verse and explain to the forum why the words you are focusing on are saying what you believe they are saying.[/color]

Oh for god's sake. If you people want to play this game why don't you find a nice Christian website? I don't want to hear chapter, verse or anything else from your retched little book of Jewish fairy tales. I mean, I know this is an open forum and welcomes all view points but at least bring your own. If you have anything worth saying, use your own words and leave the fucking bible out of it.

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

The fabricated term "Godhead" goes hand in hand with the false trinity teaching that officially became the central doctrine of the "Christianized" Romans in the 4th century C.E. (The Christianized Romans later came to be known as the Roman Catholic Church.) The teaching of trinity that survives today began to be formalized in 325 CE/AD at the Council of Nicaea. On that occasion, about 300 Catholic bishops met with Roman Emperor Constantine"a non-Christian who was not baptized until he lay dying. Regarding Constantine's role in the formulation of the Trinity, the Encyclopedia Britannica states:

"Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed... the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, [that Christ was] 'of one substance with the Father.' "

Keep in mind that Jesus died, was resurrected, and returned to heaven in 33 C.E. and that this idea that would later evolve into the trinity did not officially become "Christian" dogma until 381 C.E.--more than 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene. Also keep in mind that the idea of trinity was the philosophy of apostate "Christianized" Romans who later came to be known as Roman Catholics. But most important, keep in mind that the ROMANS who executed Jesus--prior to adopting Christianity as the state religion--had a long history of polytheism (worship of many gods). It was therefore a simple matter for the Christianized Romans aka Roman Catholics to graft various pagan/false teachings into their version of Christianity. One such teaching became the "Christian" version of trinity or worship of a triune/triad (three-in-one) god.

[ThomM]

The trinitarian doctrine is a teaching or compilation of scripture that identifies God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. While the word it self has nothing to do with bible passages the core message is firmly rooted in scripture. It's kinda like calling The Prayer Jesus taught us in Luke 11 the Lord's prayer. The bible Does not say it is the Lord's prayer, it is just a 'religious/doctrinal' identification of a scriptural teaching. Just because the bible does not specifically say it is the Lord's Prayer does not mean the Lord did not teach us to pray this prayer.

Hell Fire. Is Real and Scripture tells us it is eternal, and that it was stoked specifically for lucifer and his followers, meaning demons (not for us.) Although Hell fire may be eternal it does not mean our souls will be or rather the very delicate nature that defines our sanity (or makes us who we are) is garanteed. We all have our breaking points, once our grip or controled over our minds is gone/consumed by the present torment, and prospect of eternal Hell fire, then 'we' cease to be. Meaning even if some part of us is in Hell for eternity 'we' (our consciousness) will be consumed. That is what is referred to as the second death.

My turn to ask a question are you J/W or Mormon?

Mark 9:48 and Isa 66:24 (Where the fire is never quenched and the worm will not die.)

Again - sorry - but the BIBLE is not a source of truth - so to claim that hell is real is equivalent to claiming that the earth is a flat circle - as the bible says

The word "scripture" simply means a writing or story - and the bible is clearly a bunch of fairy tales - religious MYTH and LEGEND - and does not even IMPLY truth - since most of it is not

As far as the Trinity - it is a creation of the catholic church and has no reality - since their god has no proven reality as well. Passages from the bible itself contradict the teaching about the trinity - clearly.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

The trinitarian doctrine is a teaching or compilation of scripture that identifies God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
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That is obfuscation. It is crap.

Greek philosophers held a person was composed of body, mind, soul and spirit. The Greeks gods had bodies. The Christian god supposedly has none. Without a body there is only Mind, Soul and (holy) Spirit.

The "son" crap comes from imagining the gospel use of FATHER had a different meaning from the usage in the Our Father. In other words it is all a desperate attempt to hide the Greek origin of the three out of four idea.

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I am assuming your focus on the doctrine of the trinity means you have conceeded your assertion of an eternal Hell?

The official spokesrats for the vast majority of Christians, the Vatican, does not teach the idea of that kind of hell. That kind of hell was invented by Dante.

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Again - sorry - but the BIBLE is not a source of truth - so to claim that hell is real is equivalent to claiming that the earth is a flat circle - as the bible says
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What gets me about that is no place in the bible does it claim to be a source of truth or even true. The closest thing to a claim of authenticity in all the books is found in the opening sentences of G. Luke where it claims to only be a collection along the lines of the Muslim Hadith.