Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?

[ThomM]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
I am a Christian and have the deepest respect for God's inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. I invite fellow Christians to participate in the questions for discussion. Two of the most basic teachings in Christendom are as follows:

1. THE TRINITY
The teaching that God is split up into three individual persons that are combined into one "Godhead" (Father, Son, and holy ghost/holy spirit). All three of these persons are said to be CO-EQUAL (meaning they have the same power) and CO-ETERNAL (meaning they have always existed at the same time and none of them can die).


2. HELLFIRE
The teaching that God will burn a person's soul in everlasting hellfire for committing wicked deeds. In other words, God will supposedly punish people forever in fiery flames of hell--despite the fact the crimes the persons committed were only done during the persons' brief human lifespan.


QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Are there scriptures in the Bible to support the teachings of Trinity and hellfire? If so, present the scriptures by giving Bible book, chapter, and verse and also explain why you believe the scripture you present is talking about Trinity or literal hellfire.


2. Why are these teachings found in pagan/false religions that never worshipped the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible? For instance there were pagan trinities at least 200 years before Jesus came to the earth as a human.

A. In the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.


B. Likewise, in the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.


C. In fact, during the 1st century AD when Jesus was on earth, Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.



3. If the Trinity and hellfire are Bible teachings, why is it that Jesus and his apostles who followed him around never taught anyone about the Trinity and literal hellfire?


4. How is it that both the Trinity and hellfire teachings did not become "Christian" teachings until the Roman Catholics copied both of them from pagan/false religions--AFTER the resurrected Jesus Christ returned to heaven?


5. If hell is a place of literal fiery torment, how is it that the Bible says Jesus went to hell for the entire three days that he was dead?

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2:31--King James Version)


6. If hell is a place of literal torment, why is it that the word "hell" also means "Sheol" and "Hades" and "the grave"?


7. Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the person so that the soul can then be burned in eternal flames? If so, please present scriptures to this effect to prove it.


8. Are the words "Trinity" and "Godhead" in the Bible? If so, were those words part of the original writings?

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THere is NOTHING that objectively and verifiably supports the existence of the god of the bible - of being more than a HUMAN created fiction

Therefore there is NOTHING to support that the bible as the inspired word of a god as well.

Having said that - there are enough problems between the depictions of the bible and REALITY to say that an all knowing god certainly did not inspire the writings in the bible.

Once you realize that the bible is simply the writings of quite a number of humans - depicting their personal beliefs for things they could not explain naturally - and used as a tool to scare the uneducated masses of people in ancient time.

So - to answer your questions

NO - there is NO basis for the Trinity in the bible - because there is no basis for it at all.

Hellfire -which does not appear in the Old Testament (Nor does an afterlife for the most part) - is clearly an invention of PAUL - along with lots of other things about the religion.

AS far as that the pagan religions before Xtianity having trinities - where do you think the creators of the XTIAN nonsense got that stuff from. Religion - if you look at the history of belief - was clearly one upmanship from one religion to the next. Remember - the christ COULD not have been the Jewish messiah - he never fullfilled the prophecies(In the old testament) required and COULD NOT HAVE as well. Now - you may claim a "new covenant" - but an all knowing god has NO reason to change his mind - from one time to another. IT would know it would and not give the first covenant.

AS far as the idea of hell - sin - etc - the problem is - SIN is defined by religion as an offense against the god.

BUT - in a mono=theism - the creator god created everything - good and evil. No other being has the power to create so there is no saying that humans or the devil created evil - and even in the bible in three places - the god says it created evil. ANd of course - the god SAID THAT EVERYTHING it created was GOOD - so therefore WHAT can possible be an offense against a god - that sees EVIL to be good?

[fr0d0]

THere is NOTHING that objectively and verifiably supports the existence of the god of the bible

Sing it Bro

[Regens Küchl]

Alter2Ego is a Xian internet troll in the rank of David Markuze, Parture or Angelo. I am hunting these bible thumpers for years now. Her "questions for debate" were answered in forums intelligently more times than anyone can count, and she never debates back like a normal human. Instead she cries and shouts about pagans and atheists who threat her bad. Than there is the fact that she dislikes to let it be known that she is a Jehovahs Witless, instead she comes along as a Xian who just has questions for debate. But at on point in a Poker forum she stated that her elders know that she does forum to forum instead of door to door and accept that as time spent missionizing. Awful.

She also makes special threads about her forum memberships
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/sh...EMBERSHIPS

[Minimalist]

Than there is the fact that she dislikes to let it be known that she is a Jehovahs Witless,

I know that they make a big deal about the minor doctrinal differences among the various piles of xtian shit but it's all a variant of the dead-jew-on-a-stick routine to me.

[Faith No More]

But at on point in a Poker forum she stated that her elders know that she does forum to forum instead of door to door and accept that as time spent missionizing. Awful.

I really hope this doesn't set some kind of precedent.

That's the last thing we need.

[Regens Küchl]

Now here is a Xian Church for that "minor" difference is the right word.

Children of God, founded by David Berg (called himself David Moses because his being as wise as both together) practices enforces and preaches active pedophily ( even with newborns ) since the 60s until this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berg

Today it is called Family International.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_International