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RE: Mandelbrot Fractal and Watchmaker theory as proof for gods existence?
April 8, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Nothing has been shown to need "design".
There is no need to invoke it, natural selection is an explanation that works over and over again.
It's exactly the same as not needing to invoke god to explain the motion of the planets, evolution is as much a fact as gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0rLfkvl8BI
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RE: Mandelbrot Fractal and Watchmaker theory as proof for gods existence?
April 8, 2013 at 4:11 pm
-Yeah, we all take a leap of faith....or.....you're attempting to manufacture parity where there is none. Meh
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RE: Mandelbrot Fractal and Watchmaker theory as proof for gods existence?
April 10, 2013 at 12:35 am
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2013 at 12:39 am by Mystical.)
Thought I'd follow up with what I've found thusfar, which admittedly I haven't had a whole lot of time to focus on.
I talked to my fiancee about it for a night, he's a doll.
As for the watchmaker theory, I still don't get how a theist can consider it a valid point whatsoever. Assuming a watch is made by a creator because comparably to nature it is unique: is no contention what soever, since nature itself has nothing to compare itself to as to being creator-made.
He made a great debating point,
"A more accurate version of the watchmaker argument, from the theistic perspective, is that you find a watch on the beach, but the beach is made of watches, and the ocean beside you is made of watches, the air you breathe is watches, the planet you're on is watches, and you yourself are a watch."
As for complexity in nature proving that it needed a maker, I found this experiment highly helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
I don't understand why the fractal is even in the theist debates, so if anyone figures that out just let me know 
Also someone in the catholic forums (that's where I'm getting this shite) also mentioned this:
"When relativists bring up wave-particle duality of light to try and argue that the law of non-contradiction is not true, they are hand-waving. It is more proper to say that light has properties like a wave and like a particle, not that they ARE both things at once. This does not breach the law of non-contradiction."
Anyone know what they're talking about? Thanks for your replies guys, please let me know what you think!
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RE: Mandelbrot Fractal and Watchmaker theory as proof for gods existence?
April 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Some god-fearin types like to babble on about "sciencey sounding" things in order to avoid talking about the god they knew damned well they couldn't establish at the outset.
If I had to guess what was going on Luckie, I'd say that they were probably assholes.
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