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One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 19, 2013 at 10:18 pm)A Theist Wrote: I guess now we'll see whether or not if the two brothers were influenced by Islamic fanaticism...don't know if they were connected to any terror groups though...

Of course they were...

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#32
RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 19, 2013 at 9:31 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Where's this mathematical evidence? Angel

I'll spoon feed it to you then. The percentage of the U.S. that is Muslims is only .8% Since Sociopathy is more or less evenly distributed amongst populations, if this crime was caused by the suspects being sociopaths who just wanted to kill people, the chance of those sociopaths being Muslim is also .8%. You then have to keep in mind there were in fact that this was done by two people. So in fact the chance that both of them were just out to cause random mayhem decreases even more than that.

Understand the math there or do I need a slower spoon next time?
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#33
RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
To be fair, and not take any sides in this argument, teams of criminals are not at all uncommon among the criminal population. All you need is one person who is impressionable, desperate or frightened and one sociopath or psychopath. Given that most people can be manipulated, well, you know where there is going.

At any rate, I hate to be quick to jump to conclusions on this. The second suspect was, and is, an American. He will be interrogated. Answers will be forthcoming, if he lives.
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#34
RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
I'm betting an eighth of Wonderwoman Og on this being a religiously-motivated attack. To be fair, it's the only real presumption one can come to that has any previously-known information to correlate to it. Maybe it is psychopathy, though. Or maybe these guys just woke up one morning and decided they really, really hated Bostonians who ran a lot.

I'm not presuming to say I know for sure, and it is a pretty flimsy bit of connection, but the stereotype about muslims and bombings and terrorism...well, it has basis in reality, is all I'm trying to say, here, and until we know more it's the most likely explanation.

Because, see, speculation and intrigue is fun. Big Grin

And Vae: Ya don't need to have hawk vision, an ursine nose, and cat ears to identify a sewer rat for what it is. Tongue Granted my analogy would've been more fitting if I'd just gone with "sounds like a sewer rat" and omitted the others because that level of certainty doesn't actually exist yet.

And now, we see if the heretic is getting to smoke up on 420 for free, or if he's going to have to buy double the usual.
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#35
RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 20, 2013 at 2:47 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: I'm betting an eighth of Wonderwoman Og on this being a religiously-motivated attack. To be fair, it's the only real presumption one can come to that has any previously-known information to correlate to it. Maybe it is psychopathy, though. Or maybe these guys just woke up one morning and decided they really, really hated Bostonians who ran a lot.

I'm not presuming to say I know for sure, and it is a pretty flimsy bit of connection, but the stereotype about muslims and bombings and terrorism...well, it has basis in reality, is all I'm trying to say, here, and until we know more it's the most likely explanation.

Because, see, speculation and intrigue is fun. Big Grin

And Vae: Ya don't need to have hawk vision, an ursine nose, and cat ears to identify a sewer rat for what it is. Tongue Granted my analogy would've been more fitting if I'd just gone with "sounds like a sewer rat" and omitted the others because that level of certainty doesn't actually exist yet.

And now, we see if the heretic is getting to smoke up on 420 for free, or if he's going to have to buy double the usual.

I guess the older brother had posted a bunch of islamic videos on youtube including an 'al-queda prophesy video' after a trip back from the homeland. I'd get ready to smoke for free if I were you.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/19/suspec...ecy-video/
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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 19, 2013 at 11:02 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'll spoon feed it to you then. The percentage of the U.S. that is Muslims is only .8% Since Sociopathy is more or less evenly distributed amongst populations, if this crime was caused by the suspects being sociopaths who just wanted to kill people, the chance of those sociopaths being Muslim is also .8%. You then have to keep in mind there were in fact that this was done by two people. So in fact the chance that both of them were just out to cause random mayhem decreases even more than that.

I think I've got it this time! Big Grin

CapnAwesome is incredibly stupid Smile Condescending stupidity? Ehh, that's a new one for sure... but you've sure got me beat, buddy.

Quote:Understand the math there or do I need a slower spoon next time?

Didn't see any math there... only a fool's presumptive anecdote Smile

(April 19, 2013 at 11:27 pm)Shell B Wrote: To be fair, and not take any sides in this argument, teams of criminals are not at all uncommon among the criminal population. All you need is one person who is impressionable, desperate or frightened and one sociopath or psychopath. Given that most people can be manipulated, well, you know where there is going.

To be fair... most criminals are normal people. Situations are really the impacter here, whether that be from poverty or grief or anger: many people have the capability of being a criminal, to a wide degree of extents.

We can certainly see that the one who got into the shootout was afraid. Want to know what was dilating his pupils.

Quote:At any rate, I hate to be quick to jump to conclusions on this. The second suspect was, and is, an American. He will be interrogated. Answers will be forthcoming, if he lives.

You and me both Smile

Answers may or may not be forthcoming, up to the survivor. Also up to whether they caught the right guys (I don't have that data).

(April 20, 2013 at 2:47 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: I'm betting an eighth of Wonderwoman Og on this being a religiously-motivated attack. To be fair, it's the only real presumption one can come to that has any previously-known information to correlate to it. Maybe it is psychopathy, though. Or maybe these guys just woke up one morning and decided they really, really hated Bostonians who ran a lot.

If the two were related... I'd rather put my money on something personal than upon something so ridiculous. Still wouldn't bet on something I have little knowledge of.

Quote:I'm not presuming to say I know for sure, and it is a pretty flimsy bit of connection, but the stereotype about muslims and bombings and terrorism...well, it has basis in reality, is all I'm trying to say, here, and until we know more it's the most likely explanation.

No... that stereotype has a basis in recent media Smile Given that there was not a suicide bombing: I'm having trouble seeing any connection whatsoever.

But maybe you can illustrate that for me Angel

Quote:Because, see, speculation and intrigue is fun. Big Grin

Sure... and telling you that your speculations are stupid as hell is also fun Smile

Quote:And Vae: Ya don't need to have hawk vision, an ursine nose, and cat ears to identify a sewer rat for what it is. Tongue Granted my analogy would've been more fitting if I'd just gone with "sounds like a sewer rat" and omitted the others because that level of certainty doesn't actually exist yet.

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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 20, 2013 at 11:05 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:
(April 19, 2013 at 11:02 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'll spoon feed it to you then. The percentage of the U.S. that is Muslims is only .8% Since Sociopathy is more or less evenly distributed amongst populations, if this crime was caused by the suspects being sociopaths who just wanted to kill people, the chance of those sociopaths being Muslim is also .8%. You then have to keep in mind there were in fact that this was done by two people. So in fact the chance that both of them were just out to cause random mayhem decreases even more than that.

I think I've got it this time! Big Grin

CapnAwesome is incredibly stupid Smile Condescending stupidity? Ehh, that's a new one for sure... but you've sure got me beat, buddy.

Whether or not you accept it, more and more it's looking like I was correct. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/bo...n-youtube/
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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 19, 2013 at 11:27 pm)Shell B Wrote: To be fair, and not take any sides in this argument, teams of criminals are not at all uncommon among the criminal population. All you need is one person who is impressionable, desperate or frightened and one sociopath or psychopath. Given that most people can be manipulated, well, you know where there is going.

At any rate, I hate to be quick to jump to conclusions on this. The second suspect was, and is, an American. He will be interrogated. Answers will be forthcoming, if he lives.

The first part of this is in line with my initial impressions of the younger brother. It's the interrogation part I'm worried about. I don't want to see him treated like Jose Padilla, and be declared an enemy combatant then denied his Constitutional rights.
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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 20, 2013 at 11:05 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: We can certainly see that the one who got into the shootout was afraid. Want to know what was dilating his pupils.

Probably this.
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RE: One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed
(April 19, 2013 at 11:02 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'll spoon feed it to you then. The percentage of the U.S. that is Muslims is only .8% Since Sociopathy is more or less evenly distributed amongst populations, if this crime was caused by the suspects being sociopaths who just wanted to kill people, the chance of those sociopaths being Muslim is also .8%. You then have to keep in mind there were in fact that this was done by two people. So in fact the chance that both of them were just out to cause random mayhem decreases even more than that.

Understand the math there or do I need a slower spoon next time?
I'm not entirely sure I understand your use of statistics here. What exactly are you trying to show?

The chances of sociopaths being Muslim (.8%) doesn't affect the chances of the attackers being sociopaths. I mean, the chances of sociopaths being Christian would be something like 90% (assuming 90% of the population are Christian), but that doesn't mean Christians are more likely to be sociopaths.
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