One of the two terrorists involved in the Boston bombing has been killed

[Anomalocaris]

So to those guys, it wasn't right wing terrorists resorting to "second amendment remedies" after all, was it.

Perhaps you care to address the "Islamic" "left winger" who sent letters laced with ricin to Obama and some senator on the very same date as the Boston marathon?

You know what, Islamists are a species of right wingers. Islamist terrorists do their deeds for what is at heart a fundamentally right wing cause. The main thing that separates them from you is they like turban instead of cowboy hats and the stick up their asses grew in a different climate zone than the stick up yours.

[A Theist]

So to those guys, it wasn't right wing terrorists resorting to "second amendment remedies" after all, was it.

Perhaps you care to address the "Islamic" "left winger" who sent letters laced with ricin to Obama and some senator on the very same date as the Boston marathon?

You know what, Islamists are a species of right wingers. Islamist terrorists do their deeds for what is at heart a fundamentally right wing cause. The main thing that separates them from you is they like turban instead of cowboy hats and the stick up their asses grew in a different climate zone than the stick up yours.

No, Islamic terrorists isn't what you leftwingers were talking about...some of you leftist radicals wanted to accuse politically right white guys who stood against gun control...

[Shell B]

Haha, leftist radicals. Take away leftist and all you are left with is radical. You understand that every single one of you extremists is a radical? You're all dangerous. You cannot see the middle ground. You cannot see the other side of the argument. You cannot for the life of you realize that being absolutist blinds you.

[DeistPaladin]

No, Islamic terrorists isn't what you leftwingers were talking about...some of you leftist radicals wanted to accuse politically right white guys who stood against gun control...

"leftist radicals". I love it. Back in my younger, GOP days, "leftist radical" or "far left" was a term used to describe communists. These days, it's used to describe anyone to the left of Lieberman.

But back to the point, the right wing these days has a serious problem of coping with reality. Put bluntly, the right wing in America has gone insane. I don't use this term lightly. I use it to say they live in an alternate reality complete with their alternate history and alternate facts about the present. At times, their lunacy gives way to some really scary stuff, including all the right wing terrorist attacks, to say nothing of the eliminationist and hate speech that stokes it.

[A Theist]

No, Islamic terrorists isn't what you leftwingers were talking about...some of you leftist radicals wanted to accuse politically right white guys who stood against gun control...

"leftist radicals". I love it. Back in my younger, GOP days, "leftist radical" or "far left" was a term used to describe communists. These days, it's used to describe anyone to the left of Lieberman.

But back to the point, the right wing these days has a serious problem of coping with reality. Put bluntly, the right wing in America has gone insane. I don't use this term lightly. I use it to say they live in an alternate reality complete with their alternate history and alternate facts about the present. At times, their lunacy gives way to some really scary stuff, including all the right wing terrorist attacks, to say nothing of the eliminationist and hate speech that stokes it.

Exactly the way I see the leftwing, can't cope with reality because you're all isolated from it in your PC bubble world...you guys are fanatic radicals who can't wait to crucify some conservative white guy whether he be a tea partier or one who supports 2nd amendment rights...and talk about about hate speech, there's no lack of it coming from your side...

[DeistPaladin]

Exactly the way I see the leftwing, can't cope with reality because you're all isolated from it in your PC bubble world...you guys are fanatic radicals who can't wait to crucify some conservative white guy whether he be a tea partier or one who supports 2nd amendment rights...and talk about about hate speech, there's no lack of it coming from your side...

We've talked in the past about the "both sides do it" argument. It's the last line of defense for conservatives after they get caught screwing everything up, being abusive or having a scandal. It's their way of trying to get out of any responsibility by trying to turn it into a wash. Beyond the fact that this defense is an ad hominem tu quoque, we usually find that this argument doesn't bare close examination.

[orogenicman]

Perhaps you care to address the "Islamic" "left winger" who sent letters laced with ricin to Obama and some senator on the very same date as the Boston marathon?

You know what, Islamists are a species of right wingers. Islamist terrorists do their deeds for what is at heart a fundamentally right wing cause. The main thing that separates them from you is they like turban instead of cowboy hats and the stick up their asses grew in a different climate zone than the stick up yours.

No, Islamic terrorists isn't what you leftwingers were talking about...some of you leftist radicals wanted to accuse politically right white guys who stood against gun control...

I had no idea that glossolalia was "politically right ". Wonders never cease to amaze.

[Shell B]

Why is this hypothetically far right guy always white in these examples? What the fuck does white have to do with it?

[Minimalist]

who can't wait to crucify some conservative white guy whether he be a tea partier or one who supports 2nd amendment rights.

Your goddamn right for once. Is this you?

[CapnAwesome]

Yep. The point isn't whether you were correct, CA, which was always a possibility. The point is jumping to conclusions. I may be pushing an overly politically correct state of mind, but I do think we need to pause before we assume a Muslim who did something insane did so because of Islam. If Rayaan did something crazy, I would never think Islam first. I would think he had lost his mind. This is just an example, but do you see anything radical about Rayaan? Do you think it is possible that he or someone like him in terms of religiousness could do something terrible? I do. Of course, not in the sense that I think it likely. I just think it possible and that possibility stops me from jumping straight to Islam bashing.

I agree it's not about jumping to conclusions, it's about a long history of similar attacks worldwide by a group that is an extreme minority in the United States. I think what a small percentage of the US population is Muslim is significant here. If this attack occurred in France or India there would be a greater chance that it's just a random psycho. If Rayaan were to do something violent I would be shocked period.

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I'm not entirely sure I understand your use of statistics here. What exactly are you trying to show?

The chances of sociopaths being Muslim (.8%) doesn't affect the chances of the attackers being sociopaths. I mean, the chances of sociopaths being Christian would be something like 90% (assuming 90% of the population are Christian), but that doesn't mean Christians are more likely to be sociopaths.

Of course it effects it, because there are so few sociopaths and so few Muslims the probability of a sociopathic (non-religiously motivated) attack by a Muslim in the US is far far less than that of a sociopathic attack (non-religiously motivated) by a Christian. I don't know why this concept seems to be so hard to understand.

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