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Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 10:58 am)Macky Avelli Wrote: Western women have very much lost touch with what men want.

You forgot a very important 'some' between what and men. Dodgy

And to be honest, it's not about what women and men generally want, it's about what one person looks for in the other.
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#22
RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
Oh, by the way - I don't think it's that feminists identify as other sexualities. I think it's that other sexualities inherently recognize the unfairness in society and so more of them tend to be advocates for something.
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#23
RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 11:36 am)Macky Avelli Wrote: She's got the lot, she's got the tattoos, the masculine hairdo, no effort whatsoever to make herself look slim and attractive...

Yes, because all women should be concerned about how they appear in your eyes. I mean, forget the fact that beauty is subjective, but why should anyone give a shit if they don't conform to your standards?

I smell misogyny masquerading as anti-feminism...
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
Also, not all feminists are radical feminists and he's making a sweeping generalization. That's like saying all female atheists are A+ proponents/supporters.
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 11:45 am)LastPoet Wrote: Someone in the video said that there is 0.0% cases of false rape accusations Shock

Really?

I find that extremely disturbing and irresponsible. I've heard feminists put forward the argument that talking about false rape accusations is a distraction from real rape. How childish is that. The other utterly stupid argument from feminists is that telling a woman to be careful is unnecessary, and that it's rapists who should be told not to rape. They have no logic at all.

(April 22, 2013 at 11:57 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Also, not all feminists are radical feminists and he's making a sweeping generalization. That's like saying all female atheists are A+ proponents/supporters.

Is that what concerns you the most? Maybe you ought to be a little bit more concerned by the damage that radical feminists do.
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#26
RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
Well... it is on a person to not rape (as once they rape they've become a rapist), and ideally women shouldn't have to be careful about what they wear, where they walk, who they're with, what they say, how they stand, etc.

Unfortunately, it's because there's a possibility that one of their actions might incite someone to rape them (or someone else) that their being careful is probably for 'the best'. It isn't about necessity, but about measured respect for the possibility of a negative occurrence Smile

I'll note: I typically don't wear a hard hat when working construction or moving things with heavy equipment... but I always wear a life jacket when I'm around a body of water deeper than I am tall. Respect FSM Grin
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 10:58 am)Macky Avelli Wrote: . Western women have very much lost touch with what men want.


The fact that you have to touch yourself in lieu of being touched by western women doesn't mean western women have lost touch with those men who deserve to be touched.
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#28
RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 11:57 am)Macky Avelli Wrote: Is that what concerns you the most? Maybe you ought to be a little bit more concerned by the damage that radical feminists do.

When they manage to get laws up that men should be restricted in some element of action that women are not... then I might start being worried Smile

Radicals are blowhards, if they manage to elicit particular change: it's probably because they aren't radical. Hard to change the world by yourself Wink

Edit: Because it's relevant to respect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Well... it is on a person to not rape (as once they rape they've become a rapist), and ideally women shouldn't have to be careful about what they wear, where they walk, who they're with, what they say, how they stand, etc.

Unfortunately, it's because there's a possibility that one of their actions might incite someone to rape them (or someone else) that their being careful is probably for 'the best'. It isn't about necessity, but about measured respect for the possibility of a negative occurrence Smile

I guess that what women wear has little bearing on the probability of a woman getting raped (at least in the western world). Geographical & hour of day do. Its perfectly reasonable to advise a woman not to walk alone less reputable, isolated places at night. Even if she is completely clothed.
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RE: Why do feminists have such a bad reputation?
(April 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I guess that what women wear has little bearing on the probability of a woman getting raped (at least in the western world). Geographical & hour of day do. Its perfectly reasonable to advise a woman not to walk alone less reputable, isolated places at night. Even if she is completely clothed.

Less bearing than walking alone through a dark back alley... but attractiveness has bearing on getting some people interested in the first place. More bearing in better lit places, where one can see whether or not a person is attractive. Think of it this way: is a man walking alone through a dark back alley likely to be raped? Beaten down, mugged, shot: sure; but raped? Hardly. Attractiveness (sexually) is a necessary part of the process.

Also has a connection with family/family friend rape. I mean, based on statistics alone: trust nobody, and put your faith more in strangers than in the people you know Wink The state of the person who can be incited to rape has a much more significant impact upon it than anything else, probably.
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