Creation and G-d

[ronedee]

So I have always wondered this and would like some insight. G-d created the world in seven days (symbolically) and he may have used evolution to create. The thing that I can't seem to understand is the scenario with Adam and Eve. We all have heard the story of them eating the forbidden apple, that Satan tempted them to do, and then sin was 'born.'

Ok, so whether you believe in the word 'sin,' or not, lets just discuss this at a general meaning. So was sin really born? From what? G-d perhaps or some other cosmic fixation that goes back to G-d? Would that then make G-d imperfect since He created something that made Him have to send His Son to die for the "sins," that He created? This just doesn't make sense. Regardless if he is imperfect or not, I still choose to believe in G-d, who is more perfect than I can ever be. Your thoughts anyone?

First thing here is to get God "creating" sin out of your mind. Sin is the absence of God. Sin has no life, or purpose but to exclude God. Satan was the original sinner! He wanted/wants what God has.

Secondly, man was created with "free-will", because God wanted us to choose Him, magnify His love, and share His divinty with us... without us being robots.

Thirdly, God cursed us with death for sinning ("If you eat the fruit of this tree, you will surely die") but He already had a plan for our redemption.

Lastly, God became flesh, taught us, and lived among us. He destoryed sin through His death of the human body (at our hands) at the crucifixtion....... death was originally meant for sinners ONLY (see: "If you eat the fruit...") .... NOT THE ONE WITHOUT SIN! i.e. The door flew open, and the curse was broken!

Epilog: Everything is NOW right with us, and God......Believe in Jesus as Lord and be Saved...and one day share His divinity!

[Drich]

If a good being creates free will for his creatures, he has to create a way for them to disobey him (sin). Man has no free will unless he has the option to turn against God (sin). Then, God used Jesus Christ to get us back on track, even though we still have the option to go against God (sin).

I think I see your point because light can't exist without darkness?

Still doesn't make sense that countless years went by and no 'bible,' was available before and after Jesus, until later years.

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Sin isn't a thing, there for there wasn't an actual birth of sin. Sin is anything the goes against the expressed will of God. In short sin is Choice. Choice was apart of the plan from the beginning as witnessed by the tree of knoweledge planed in the center of the garden. If God did not want us to have a choice then the only thing that was identified as a sin would not be placed with in our grasp.

So why do we have choice? (Not the greek philosphy of Free will, but choice.) to choose whether or not we want to spend eternity with him or not. Unfortunatly the mere act of be placed in a position to choose disqualifies us from being worth of an eternity with God. Enter Christ and the sacerfice He made. Now we can choose and have our choice count. So if we want to spend an eternity with God in Heaven the attonement Christ offers allows us to be washed clean of our 'sins.' Allowing us to be found worthy to be with God for eternity.

So God (again, it was a habit) didn't create sin? Yet, I thought he created everything Genesis 1:1)?

Sin is not a thing and can not be created. The word sin identifies a state of mind or action. One God can not be apart of By defination because it would cease being against the will of God.

Sin at it's core is the ablity to be outside of God's expressed will. Something God allows for.

[Silver]

Sin is not a thing and can not be created.

Anything that is not real can be created with the creative powers of the mind.

[Esquilax]

Your right, but that doesn't mean "G-d," doesn't exist either.

I know. I don't believe there is no god; I simply don't know either way, but feel that positive claims like the existence of god need to be demonstrated before they are believable. I'm an agnostic atheist.

Can you clarify by "I don't think you can choose your beliefs?"

Well, I mean that you can't consciously force yourself to be convinced of the truth of something. You can't will yourself to believe; I can't make a choice to believe in christianity any more than you can choose to become a muslim or what have you. As individuals we have varying levels of credulity that, among other things, affect which beliefs you are able to accept, but it's not like a menu at a fast food joint, we don't get to pick and choose the things we believe.

We can be convinced into belief, but that's an organic process of information input and internal reactions; you never just go "hmm, I am going to believe in this now," and make it so.

[Jackalope]

Here's one thought: why the f-k don't you sp-ll out the na-m of the deity you b-lieve in?

The more observant of Jews don't either. They have a lot of funny ideas about words and their power (hence, Kabbalah) and the name of God isn't supposed to be written down. Why a Christian would be doing this is beyond me.

And now, for something completely different.

[TosinAsLeader]

The more observant of Jews don't either. They have a lot of funny ideas about words and their power (hence, Kabbalah) and the name of God isn't supposed to be written down. Why a Christian would be doing this is beyond me.

And now, for something completely different.

Oh my goodness. LOL!

I know, I realized going all Jewish on "God," isn't wise.

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I know. I don't believe there is no god; I simply don't know either way, but feel that positive claims like the existence of god need to be demonstrated before they are believable. I'm an agnostic atheist.

Agnostic Atheist? DO you think all of us go to far with these terms?

Well, I mean that you can't consciously force yourself to be convinced of the truth of something. You can't will yourself to believe; I can't make a choice to believe in christianity any more than you can choose to become a muslim or what have you. As individuals we have varying levels of credulity that, among other things, affect which beliefs you are able to accept, but
it's not like a menu at a fast food joint, we don't get to pick and choose the things we believe.

Forcing yourself to believe in something would be a suicide of ourselves, right? Based on what I have read and study, I choose to believe.

We can be convinced into belief, but that's an organic process of information input and internal reactions; you never just go "hmm, I am going to believe in this now," and make it so.

Unless if you are completely[/quote] brain dead and join a cult such as of Jim Jones

[Strongbad]

Here's one thought: why the f-k don't you sp-ll out the na-m of the deity you b-lieve in?

The more observant of Jews don't either. They have a lot of funny ideas about words and their power (hence, Kabbalah) and the name of God isn't supposed to be written down. Why a Christian would be doing this is beyond me.

LOL I'd love to hear them after they stub their toe: "Ouch!!! G-d d-m it!!!"

[NoraBrimstone]

Where did the "o" in God fuck off to?

[thesummerqueen]

There's probably a much more effective word in Yiddish for that. lemme ask my great uncle.