Locked in the dogma

[Raven]

Try here Raven
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=110997741

Thanks for the link! Gave a listen to the first part, most interesting indeed. Gonna go check out the rest.

[KichigaiNeko]

It's about as close as we have so far come to proving the adage "god is within you" Raven.

[Whateverist]

Enrico is there any chance that you have become just a little too concrete and literal in what you say? At best what you or anyone else has to say about human potential amounts to a finger pointing. If I see nothing where you are point, perhaps it is my failing or perhaps it is yours. Don't know. But I am not looking for 'more'.


On Killing the Buddha

By Sam Harris

“Kill the Buddha,” says the old koan. “Kill Buddhism,” says Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith, who argues that Buddhism’s philosophy, insight, and practices would benefit more people if they were not presented as a religion.


The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi is supposed to have said, “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” Like much of Zen teaching, this seems too cute by half, but it makes a valuable point: to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught. In considering what Buddhism can offer the world in the twenty-first century, I propose that we take Lin Chi’s admonishment rather seriously. As students of the Buddha, we should dispense with Buddhism.

This is not to say that Buddhism has nothing to offer the world. One could surely argue that the Buddhist tradition, taken as a whole, represents the richest source of contemplative wisdom that any civilization has produced. In a world that has long been terrorized by fratricidal Sky-God religions, the ascendance of Buddhism would surely be a welcome development. But this will not happen. There is no reason whatsoever to think that Buddhism can successfully compete with the relentless evangelizing of Christianity and Islam. Nor should it try to.

[Angrboda]

"The Master [Linji] saw a monk coming and held his fly whisk straight up. The monk made a low bow, whereupon the Master struck him a blow. The Master saw another monk coming and again held his fly whisk straight up. The monk paid no attention, whereupon the Master struck him a blow as well."

[Little Rik]

When i asked Godschild how all the people who born before Jesus or those who never heard about him could be saved he failed to reply.
Of course he can not reply considering that his knowledge is based on dogma.

I must have missed your request, sorry. Those who do not get a chance to hear about Jesus and I do mean witnessed to God will judge them on their belief there is a God and how they lived according to that belief. What all is taken into consideration by God is up to Him. Those who came before Christ, the same thing, there is no way I or anyone else could give a complete answer because we are not God and thus do not know all He has planned.

It does not make any sense.
Suppose i am God.
After a million of years that i created humans i then decided to send my son Jesus on planet earth so those who follow him may be saved.
Very strange indeed.
Why did he wait to send Jesus after a million of years or so?
And why put so many people in situation in which they can not change their religion?
Sorry, too many excuses, that is why the only explanation is that it is the usual dogma invented by the caste of priest in order to become intermediaries between the masses and God.

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Dear Stimbo what you are referring to is the tip of the iceberg.
You got to bring up the whole of the iceberg to see the real thing and this happen by practicing spirituality.
Theory may be good but without practice you can only see the tip of the iceberg.
We got many glands that control all our existence.
The glands that allow you to feel those nice feeling and sentiment that you described are located lower then the one that i am talking about (pineal gland).
Spiritual love is at the very top of everything else.
But it takes time to realize this truth and i can understand you.

When anything I can possibly say regarding my own thoughts, feelings and experiences of my life as it pertains to reality is dismissed as casually as this then the discussion is over, as any further dialogue is rendered completely pointless. You are of course entitled to your own opinions but until you can demonstrate that this special superior truth that you are privy to is even something that exists in reality, so am I. My world - i.e. the world that all life appears to agree upon as a common, shared experience - functions perfectly fine without this mystical fluff. I'm happy to continue in my ignorance, thanks all the same.

Your feelings are not dismissed as casually at all.
I am rather saying that the more you climb the ladder of emancipation and the more you will feel.
When you take a lift to the first floor you can see a little but when you take the lift to the top floor you have a much better vision.
The same thing apply when you activate the glands located along our spinal column.
At the bottom you have the gland controlling the matter, then the one controlling the liquid, then light (heat) air, space mind and spirit.
Materialistic people are happy living in the material world but the point is HOW DO THEY KNOW HOW GOOD IS LIVING AT THE TOP IF THEY NEVER CARE TO GET THERE?
These people are totally convinced that their vision is the ultimate.

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Sorry enrico. But your prosthelytizing is just so lame and immune to the wonders that atheists acknowledge and understand and our desire to know of what we DON'T understand to the point that you look rather foolish and child like in your views.

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No sale for your deity here mate

I am here to confront my ideas with yours not to convert you.
I am not running a church or a religion so i have nothing to gain.
It is your life. You create your own karma.

[Little Rik]

Whatever we have within ourselves that we may not be presently aware of is still part of the natural world as it is within ourselves.

Nothing wrong with your comment.
The only thing missing is that the sooner you unlock this potential and the sooner you can enjoy it.

The Buddha never spoke of God. That wasn't what he was about. He had found a way to enlightenment and shared it with whoever was interested.

Buddha was practicing tantric meditation which ultimately lead to the merging into the ocean of cosmic consciousness (become one with God).
So whether he was talking about God or not that means nothing.
Whether i tell my son that by studying he will become a doctor or whether i tell him that by studying he will be in a better position does not make any difference.
The only important thing is to do something to improve ourselves, all the rest is superfluous.

There are many paths to the top of the mountain, but when we get there we are all standing on the same peak.'

True.

It is not on/in some other plane and it has nothing to do with any Celestial Being. It's within us. We just have to look.

True again.
This is just what i am saying, the treasure is within not outside.
The problem is however not to get fooled by the appearances.
When the moon reflect her image on a lake you can see a myriad of moons but the moon is only one.
At the same time people see so many differences when they look in this material world but the reality is only one.
When one realize this truth then he will realize that God is him-her.

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pocaracas.............Some people require the "god proxy" to get there, you know?

When you feel that the radius that separate you from him reduce more and more then you can not deny his existence.
When a drop of water is going to merge into the ocean to be one with it then is not possible anymore to separate the two.

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whateverist............Enrico is there any chance that you have become just a little too concrete and literal in what you say? At best what you or anyone else has to say about human potential amounts to a finger pointing. If I see nothing where you are point, perhaps it is my failing or perhaps it is yours. Don't know. But I am not looking for 'more'.

Theory give you maybe 0000.1%, practice give you 99.999% so when you say that by looking you see nothing that does not surprising me.
It is normal so don't get too upset about it.
My yoga is 0000.1% theory and 99.999% practice.
It is when you do something that you achieve things not when you dream about it.

[Whateverist]

Theory give you maybe 0000.1%, practice give you 99.999% so when you say that by looking you see nothing that does not surprising me.
It is normal so don't get too upset about it.
My yoga is 0000.1% theory and 99.999% practice.
It is when you do something that you achieve things not when you dream about it.

Wait a minute, that doesn't add up. Where does your 50% bullshit fit in?

[Tonus]

My yoga is 0000.1% theory and 99.999% practice.

Your yoga totals up to 100.099%. Is the 0.099% where god resides?

[Faith No More]

New-age math works differently.

[Angrboda]

Many mystical traditions "claim" that the truth can only be known through experience. (meditation, yoga, whatever) None has ever been able to demonstrate that what they have found is truth. The way they have defined it, it can't be demonstrated. So do we take such assertions on faith? Or do we acknowledge that while yes, there may be aspects of living that can only be understood nonverbally, the mind has a great capacity to fool itself, and desperately seeking after these experiences is simply priming the mind to tell itself lies?

To explore a new realm is fascinating and delightful. However, before you explore that realm, take a care to be sure that it actually exists. If you convince yourself that it exists, when it does not, and let your mind's powers of imagination convince you you are exploring that world when you are just being fooled by a mind eager to satisfy itself, you have not enhanced your world, you have taken away from its overall quality by squandering your resources in pointless head games and believing things that aren't true.


The five colors blind the eye.
The five tones deafen the ear.
The five flavors dull the taste.
Racing and hunting madden the mind.
Precious things lead one astray.
Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not by what he sees.
He lets go of that and chooses this.

— Tao Te Ching, Ch. 12