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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm
(May 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Marnie Wrote: These clubs exist in my area in high schools and middle schools. They are run by an outside missionary group located in the northern area of my state. The only purpose of this club is teaching evangelization to Christians and converting non-Christian students to Christianity. Kids are apparently invited to these clubs and presented the gospel and then made to confess Jesus as their savior. They sign a card saying they confess Jesus as their savior or they have more questions to ask before confessing. Group leaders are supposed to report to headquarters how many students have been converted to Christianity.
You know....this could be a good plot for a movie.
If a film comes out that's a lot similar to this story, don't worry, I'll credit you.
Seriously though, that's despicable. Even if you replaced the word "Christian" with "environmentalist" or even "atheist" in your situation, it would be equally as despicable. No student organization should force thoughts upon another. Sickening.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2013 at 3:45 pm by Marnie.)
(May 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: (May 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Marnie Wrote: These clubs exist in my area in high schools and middle schools. They are run by an outside missionary group located in the northern area of my state. The only purpose of this club is teaching evangelization to Christians and converting non-Christian students to Christianity. Kids are apparently invited to these clubs and presented the gospel and then made to confess Jesus as their savior. They sign a card saying they confess Jesus as their savior or they have more questions to ask before confessing. Group leaders are supposed to report to headquarters how many students have been converted to Christianity.
You know....this could be a good plot for a movie.
If a film comes out that's a lot similar to this story, don't worry, I'll credit you.
Seriously though, that's despicable. Even if you replaced the word "Christian" with "environmentalist" or even "atheist" in your situation, it would be equally as despicable. No student organization should force thoughts upon another. Sickening.
They can't force conversion but they can certainly pressure students. Think. Your friend invited you to a club and promises music, food, and game. When you get there you are presented the gospel by an adult and then asked to give your soul to Jesus. You fill out a card giving them your contact information which is sent to a church so adults can "follow-up".
Unfortunately this seems to be legal by circumvention.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Well that's just loverly. Apparently as a Hindu, I'm "spiritually dead." And my children, if I had any, would likely be viewed as "spiritually dead," too. And I would just bet these people are the same ones who whine about how we don't respect their religion.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm
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(May 4, 2013 at 3:56 pm)apophenia Wrote:
Well that's just loverly. Apparently as a Hindu, I'm "spiritually dead." And my children, if I had any, would likely be viewed as "spiritually dead," too. And I would just bet these people are the same ones who whine about how we don't respect their religion.
That's from the oddly incredibly similar club run in a different area. Basically with the same goals and gimmicks as the clubs in my area.
"Remind students to bring a non-Christian friend for -------- week"
"-------opportunity for Christian students to invite and bring their non-Christian friends to hear a simple presentation of the Gospel and encounter the Living God."
"The speaker, while concluding the message, will ask the students to bow their heads and then lead the group in a Salvation Prayer."
"[reports] should be mailed with monthly report to --------- Ministries Office."
"Local churches will be contacted by the ------ Ministry office when received for student follow-up, so please send it in ASAP!
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Oh man, if I were still in school and such a club existed, I would totally go there, just to rock the boat and have the pleasure of laughing at them while they tried to convert me
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 4:45 pm
(May 4, 2013 at 6:32 am)Godschild Wrote: Besides what's the big deal, they are doing what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others.
There are many hate-based organizations who do what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others. Organizations which teach that humanity is bad and wicked and must enslave themselves to a God to avoid eternal hellfire are, and should be officially classified as, hate groups, and should never operate on a school campus.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm
(May 4, 2013 at 4:45 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (May 4, 2013 at 6:32 am)Godschild Wrote: Besides what's the big deal, they are doing what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others.
There are many hate-based organizations who do what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others. Organizations which teach that humanity is bad and wicked and must enslave themselves to a God to avoid eternal hellfire are, and should be officially classified as, hate groups, and should never operate on a school campus.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 4, 2013 at 6:33 pm
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2013 at 6:48 pm by Godscreated.)
(May 4, 2013 at 3:26 pm)apophenia Wrote: (May 4, 2013 at 6:32 am)Godschild Wrote: It seems to me you have a lot of info on this group and it's all negative, this type of program is happening in many schools across the country and there is nothing illegal about it. Have you attended enough of these meetings to discover what you're tell, or is it just things you're being told, second hand biased opinions.
Says the person who has done no research in the matter whatsoever.
I was replying only to the knowledge he claimed to have, and yes Bible Clubs exist in many schools around the country.
(May 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: (May 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Marnie Wrote: These clubs exist in my area in high schools and middle schools. They are run by an outside missionary group located in the northern area of my state. The only purpose of this club is teaching evangelization to Christians and converting non-Christian students to Christianity. Kids are apparently invited to these clubs and presented the gospel and then made to confess Jesus as their savior. They sign a card saying they confess Jesus as their savior or they have more questions to ask before confessing. Group leaders are supposed to report to headquarters how many students have been converted to Christianity.
You know....this could be a good plot for a movie.
If a film comes out that's a lot similar to this story, don't worry, I'll credit you.
Seriously though, that's despicable. Even if you replaced the word "Christian" with "environmentalist" or even "atheist" in your situation, it would be equally as despicable. No student organization should force thoughts upon another. Sickening.
Yes laughable, the students are free to come and go, no one is forcing them to attend, take your blinders off and look at the truth.
(May 4, 2013 at 4:45 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (May 4, 2013 at 6:32 am)Godschild Wrote: Besides what's the big deal, they are doing what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others.
There are many hate-based organizations who do what they believe in and what they believe will be good for others. Organizations which teach that humanity is bad and wicked and must enslave themselves to a God to avoid eternal hellfire are, and should be officially classified as, hate groups, and should never operate on a school campus.
The only hatred I see is your's, you and others here are being lead around by the nose by none other than a teenager, grow up and see whats going on. This person has complained to others who know nothing can be done to stop the students Bible Club and has come here to vent. These students are free to express their views on life, but you would take away that right and replace it with, a so called hate crime.
As far as implementing hate crimes, both sides can use that sort of thing, careful what you wish for.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm
I think everyone who has read my post so far has the read the sentence, "No student organization should force thoughts upon another" as "No student organization should force another student to convert." Very different things, and mine is true.
Also, Godschild, I'd like to point out that if there was the same student organization that is atheist rather than Christian, you'd probably be upset by it. Also, Godschild, stop excusing everything because it's your belief. Realize when they cross the line. If you're reading Marine's posts, you'll notice what kind of intense pressure is put on these students to convert, or rather, at least pretend to convert. When you're in an environment like that, it's increasingly difficult to stray away from all the pressure they're putting on you. Again, how would you feel if they were an atheist organization?
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RE: A club exists at my school for the purpose of evangelizing students
May 5, 2013 at 1:53 pm
(May 4, 2013 at 6:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes laughable, the students are free to come and go, no one is forcing them to attend, take your blinders off and look at the truth.
Would you be saying that if we were discussing a satanist group? A scientologist one? Any ideology that conflicts with your own?
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