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Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22512...er_bbcnews
Quote:10. Hell isn't all that Biblical
Very few of these ideas are from the Bible. The Bible does refer to Hell and its fires, but more of the details in Dante are drawn from Greek and Roman myths, and the vast majority are the creation of medieval Western imagination. Eastern Christian artists never shared their interest, and even in the West it was a late development - the doctrine of perpetual torment was propounded by the Lateran Council of 1215, just a century before Dante wrote. In modern times Christians have become increasingly sceptical about Hell. There are 622 verses in the Bible (in the New International Version) which mention Heaven, and 15 that mention Hell.
But I do love the irony that our resident protestant assholes have seized onto catholic doctrine and cling to it passionately.
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm
(May 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In modern times Christians have become increasingly sceptical about Hell.
"You mean I won't suffer eternally for buggering little boys? LET THE CELEBRATION BEGIN!!!"
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Thanks, but I already bugger all the little boys I care to bugger, so incentives won't work on me.
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Are you a priest?
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 1:29 pm
But without a literal Hell, where are all the atheists going to go?
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm
(May 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: But I do love the irony that our resident protestant assholes have seized onto catholic doctrine and cling to it passionately.
When you are a total loser in this life, you cling with a death grip to anything that makes you think the table will turn in the next life.
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 1:31 pm
(May 14, 2013 at 12:42 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Thanks, but I already bugger all the little boys I care to bugger, so incentives won't work on me.
Let me guess: zero?
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 14, 2013 at 1:50 pm
(May 14, 2013 at 1:29 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: But without a literal Hell, where are all the atheists going to go?
Vegas, baby. Vegas. 
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm
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(May 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22512...er_bbcnews
Quote:10. Hell isn't all that Biblical
Very few of these ideas are from the Bible. The Bible does refer to Hell and its fires, but more of the details in Dante are drawn from Greek and Roman myths, and the vast majority are the creation of medieval Western imagination. Eastern Christian artists never shared their interest, and even in the West it was a late development - the doctrine of perpetual torment was propounded by the Lateran Council of 1215, just a century before Dante wrote. In modern times Christians have become increasingly sceptical about Hell. There are 622 verses in the Bible (in the New International Version) which mention Heaven, and 15 that mention Hell.
But I do love the irony that our resident protestant assholes have seized onto catholic doctrine and cling to it passionately.
Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire . . ."
Mark 9:46, Jesus says: "Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched."
Matthew 25:46, Jesus says, : "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: "I am tormented in this flame."
Revelation 20:15: "And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Are we supposed to throw out the idea of Hell because it is *only* mentioned 15 times? Or do you mean society's concept of Hell is a literary construct?--because I'd agree to that. The Bible itself is very clear: Hell is a place of perpetual torment.
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RE: Poor Fundies.....Hell is A Literary Construct, Too!
May 15, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Of course it is.
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