How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Gilgamesh]

I... can't... seem... to shake it... the troll... it keeps hanging on to my leg...

Get... OFF, you little troll.

Not trolling. Address the point or don't talk at all.

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The writers of the Bible weren't trying to be apologetic. At all. Except, maybe Paul. So the Bible makes sense when you bring out the true meaning behind the weird words.

And it is you, who determines what the only true meaning is? Or your church??????

Take parables, for instance.
The Egyptians CHOSE to fight the Israelites.

nope.

Pre helenic (and helenic) egypt was an abolute monarchy, so the egyptians choose jackshit. One egyptian chose something. And considering that:

"And the Lord hardend Pharaos heart"

He didnt really chose that eighter.

And since I am using historic terms such as helenic egypt, I might aswell ad that there is no historic record which proves this tale.

When they did that, God punished them.

God makes pharao go to war, and then punishes him, - god = sick fuck.

He knew they wouldn't let Israel go,

yeah, because he didnt let the pharao let them go, he "hardend pharaos heart" read your fairytales yourself.

waited for it to happen, and them punished them accordingly. God took no action that influenced what Pharaoh did

wrong.

as shown above.

, except, maybe, not destroying the land of Egypt with a giant fireball on the day it became a nation, so they wouldn't enslave the Israelites hundreds of years later under and entirely new government.

irrelevant to subject

God never told anybody what to write down about the Exodus, he just did what he did and let the Jews write it down for themselves and give it to their children.

lol, which also shows the fun fact that they were illeterat.

Next time, put your response beneath the quote before expecting a quick answere!

[Consilius]

First of all, God took no actions. He never takes any actions regarding how people behave. Instead, he simply saw it coming and punished the Egyptians when they did what they did.
Why WOULDN'T Pharaoh not want to let the Israelites go? They were kept under control and at the same time helped Egypt's economy by eliminating labor expenses.
Pharaoh put the nation's political and economic welfare above the human rights of the Israelites and was eventually punished for it.
"I will harden Pharaoh's heart" is the same thing as "I arranged that the person on the throne of Egypt during this time period will be one who disregards your rights and not want to set you free. But it's OK, because he will be punished for what he is doing and then other people will get the chance to refrain from doing the same."

When the Bible was written, everyone was a theist. That's why it needs interpretation. God knew what Pharaoh would do to the Israelites, but, at the same time, he KNEW it was going to happen, and at the time that he wanted. He didn't make Pharaoh hate Moses in the other sense.
Of course, the awestruck Jewish men who wrote the Torah gave God credit for their Exodus in a much more direct manner. To take that part literally, would, of course, contradict the Bible.

"I can't explain away a direct quote that interjects with a persons Free Will, so I'm gonna pretend it's not there and just act as if the person would act in that manner despite God's actions."

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The Pharaoh had a hardened heart and God put him on the throne. So, we have:
God doing an action in "I will harden Pharaoh's heart" and we also have a Pharaoh with a hardened heart. God planned the Pharaoh being king, not him being a jerk.

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First of all, God took no actions. He never takes any actions regarding how people behave.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

exaaaaaaaaaaaaactly!

Which is why jews dont circumsize, no one celebrates religious festivities and no one takes part in any religious ceremony.

Your god also commanded almoust everyone in your book, from ordering Abraham to almoust gut his son to pleasure your gods sadism, to telling Moses what to do, to messing with Pharaos mind.

Instead, he simply saw it coming and punished the Egyptians when they did what they did.

He saw it coming and he messed with Pharaos mind.

You still fail to provide a disproval.

Why WOULDN'T Pharaoh not want to let the Israelites go? They were kept under control and at the same time helped Egypt's economy by eliminating labor expenses.

If you had read your bible, you would know that Moses only askes the Pharao to let his people go into the desert to worship - leaving the Pharao to believe that they would come back

and again:

"And the Lord hardend Pharaos heart"

Pharaoh put the nation's political and economic welfare above the human rights of the Israelites and was eventually punished for it.

"And the Lord hardend Pharaos heart"

"I will harden Pharaoh's heart" is the same thing as "I arranged that the person on the throne of Egypt during this time period will be one who disregards your rights and not want to set you free.

Which is messing with Pharaos free will.

Other than that, what do you mean with "during this time period"????
The entire story is told in one single timeframe????
God talks to Moses directly!

But it's OK, because he will be punished for what he is doing and then other people will get the chance to refrain from doing the same."

Which is utterly sadistic and to be rejected!

Urging someone to commit a crime only to then be that persons judge and executioner! Your god doesnt deserve worship - he deserves a trial which he would never give to those he murdered.

[Consilius]

God cannot make you circumcise yourself. He can only request it. God cannot turn you into a good or a bad person, just set up guidelines for doing so.
He saw it coming MINUS messed with the Pharaoh's mind. The two don't need each other to happen. God knew what would happen to the Israeiltes and told Abraham about it in Genesis 15:13 http://biblehub.com/genesis/15-13.htm God predicting the enslavement does not mean he made the Pharaoh do it. He LET him do it. Not that the Pharaoh asked him, anyway.
The Pharaoh does not let the Israelites go into the desert because he fears that it is a trick—which it is. But at the same time, he has no right to hold the Israelites captive.
The only thing God actually did to the Pharaoh is causing him having been born into power at the same time that the Israelites happened to be there. His reaction? Enslaving them. If God picking the time at which we are born is forcing us to be morally good or bad people, then you can say that your moral code is the way it is because you were born in '07.
Like I said, God never controlled the Pharaoh's mind, nor did he instruct him to be a jerk. The Pharaoh independently decided to enslave the refugees in Egypt and God punished him for making that decision. This proved his power to bystanders and enforced justice.
But if you are going to take every word of the Bible by its dictionary definition, then you might as well create a sect that does so, because it doesn't exist now.

[Minimalist]

God cannot make you circumcise yourself. He can only request it.

Well then, FUCK HIM!



Hey Fritz...long time - no see.

[Consilius]

Of course, its only a practice. Not a milestone on the road to salvation or anything. Besides, it is also a medical practice that prevents diseases down there.

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God cannot make you circumcise yourself. He can only request it.

Well then, FUCK HIM!

Everytime I read your posts, I wonder why I spend so much time writing so much.

Hey Fritz...long time - no see.

Guten Abend alter Man! Und wie ich sie vermisst habe!

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Of course, its only a practice. Not a milestone on the road to salvation or anything.

WRONG again, it is a requirement for jews, to be jews (that is crazy jews)

Besides, it is also a medical practice that prevents diseases down there.

Yeah, if you life in the bronze age (or today) and are to incompetent to wash your cock.

[Minimalist]

Everytime I read your posts, I wonder why I spend so much time writing so much.

You have to allow for the attention span of your audience. For theists, lots of short words...4 letters preferably...so they can follow along.



I thought of you the other day. They were playing "Battle of The Bulge" on tv and Panzerlied came on.

BTW, an awful fucking movie.

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You have to allow for the attention span of your audience. For theists, lots of short words...4 letters preferably...so they can follow along.



I thought of you the other day. They were playing "Battle of The Bulge" on tv and Panzerlied came on.

BTW, an awful fucking movie.

I`ll remember that.

I never saw that movie.

But preperations for the upcoming rise of Germany are ongoing.
It is a plan consisting of 3 stages:

1: Economic stability through investment in inferstructure in the east through taxes collected in the west whilest taxrates are lowerd in the east

2: Social stability through additional social investment in the east and tax benefits for companies engaging in social investment

3: France surrenders