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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 3:22 am
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(May 28, 2013 at 2:03 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: The word itself is irrelevant, I mean a non-planned event
Accident, coincidence, by-chance they are the same
Except that natural selection is what guides the process; there's nothing accidental about this. You are being blatantly dishonest to try and puff up a point you can't directly demonstrate in any way, and I for one am not going to allow you to get away with it.
Quote:In this case, YES
It will be circular logic for the first cell to come by a coincidence
As the minimum system required must pre exist and coordinate before existence.
That's a quibble with abiogenesis, not evolution. They're different things. More than that, ever heard of the Miller Yurey experiment?
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 3:40 am
(May 28, 2013 at 3:20 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: In this case, YES
It will be circular logic for the first cell to come by a coincidence
I can't decide if this statement is more ironic than false or vice versa.
Quote:As the minimum system required must pre exist and coordinate before existence.
Have you demonstrated that this is impossible, or cannot ever happen by circumstance?
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:10 am
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(May 28, 2013 at 3:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: (May 28, 2013 at 2:03 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: The word itself is irrelevant, I mean a non-planned event
Accident, coincidence, by-chance they are the same
Except that natural selection is what guides the process; there's nothing accidental about this. You are being blatantly dishonest to try and puff up a point you can't directly demonstrate in any way, and I for one am not going to allow you to get away with it.
Quote:In this case, YES
It will be circular logic for the first cell to come by a coincidence
As the minimum system required must pre exist and coordinate before existence.
That's a quibble with abiogenesis, not evolution. They're different things. More than that, ever heard of the Miller Yurey experiment? Who said evolution? I didn't say that
Abiogenesis is just a sophisticated, misleading term for coincidence
If it is possible why don't you repeat it!!!
(May 28, 2013 at 3:40 am)Ryantology Wrote: Quote:As the minimum system required must pre exist and coordinate before existence.
Have you demonstrated that this is impossible, or cannot ever happen by circumstance? this is what I just said!
For a coincidence there must be a logical possible sequence that can arise from a coincidence, which is impossible.
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:19 am
(May 28, 2013 at 4:10 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Who said evolution? I didn't say that
Abiogenesis is just a sophisticated, misleading term for coincidence
If it is possible why don't you repeat it!!!
So, let's be clear: I need to explain natural selection to you? Are you admitting that you're critiquing evolution without understanding a fundamental part of the process?
Do you think that makes your objections at all credible?
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:20 am
You are still making assertions of knowing what was available/known prior to the big bang. What you claim is a coincidence is in accurate, and the right events and conditions for life to occur did happen. We are here and now.
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:22 am
(May 28, 2013 at 2:48 am)Ivy Wrote: Minimalist wrote:
Quote:Apparently it is when the condom breaks.
Well, with an avatar like that, I should think Magnums would get fragile stretch marks.
Sometimes you just have to put it on the tip.
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:22 am
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(May 28, 2013 at 4:19 am)Esquilax Wrote: (May 28, 2013 at 4:10 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Who said evolution? I didn't say that
Abiogenesis is just a sophisticated, misleading term for coincidence
If it is possible why don't you repeat it!!!
So, let's be clear: I need to explain natural selection to you? Are you admitting that you're critiquing evolution without understanding a fundamental part of the process? This is not about natural selection at all.
You are still avoiding my question???
Are you in denial?
(May 28, 2013 at 4:20 am)Dragonetti Wrote: You are still making assertions of knowing what was available/known prior to the big bang. What you claim is a coincidence is in accurate, and the right events and conditions for life to occur did happen. We are here and now. It is not an assertion, It is proved by Logic
It is even stronger than science and cannot be refuted.
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:29 am
(May 28, 2013 at 4:22 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: This is not about natural selection at all.
Decide what you're fucking talking about, genius. You can either discuss evolution and intelligent design, or you can discuss abiogenesis. But they're different things, and abiogenesis has nothing to do with your initial thesis, which is why I pointed that out.
You're changing topics mid stream.
Quote:You are still avoiding my question???
Are you in denial?
Quote:It is not an assertion, It is proved by Logic
It is even stronger than science and cannot be refuted.
You know that people are laughing at a quote of you saying that over in the hall of shame thread for weeks, don't you?
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 4:30 am
(May 28, 2013 at 4:10 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Who said evolution? I didn't say that
Abiogenesis is just a sophisticated, misleading term for coincidence
If it is possible why don't you repeat it!!!
No it isn't. Abiogenesis describes the sequence of events that probably led to life which is perfectly describable through chemistry and physics but is also very hard to replicate.
But what will you think when scientists can replicate it?
It will happen, will you say ok that seems reasonable or will you shuffle the goal posts again?
I think I know.
And if you are all about the evidence, lets have some for your impossible magic man allah and don't say that you "proved it" because that is getting very old and no-one else agrees with you.
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RE: Intelligent Design, Proof IV
May 28, 2013 at 5:40 am
(May 28, 2013 at 4:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (May 28, 2013 at 4:10 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Who said evolution? I didn't say that
Abiogenesis is just a sophisticated, misleading term for coincidence
If it is possible why don't you repeat it!!!
No it isn't. It is either planned or not (i.e. a coincidence)! it cannot be another option
Quote:Abiogenesis describes the sequence of events that probably led to life which is perfectly describable through chemistry and physics but is also very hard to replicate.
that is my point, can you give another example (other than evolution) where a non-intelligent process cannot be replicated.
Quote:But what will you think when scientists can replicate it?
It will happen, will you say ok that seems reasonable or will you shuffle the goal posts again?
Still waiting
Quote:And if you are all about the evidence, lets have some for your impossible magic man allah and don't say that you "proved it" because that is getting very old and no-one else agrees with you.
I see that you cannot remove "my proof" from your head, so you are trolling it in every thread!
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