Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

[Greatest I am]

Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’s sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’s parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should God’s responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

Regards
DL

[littleendian]

...God...

Um, *cough*, some here might question your premises that there even is such a thing, or that it is even well defined.

[Drich]

Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’s sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’s parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should God’s responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

Regards
DL

This is what happens when you either do not know what the bible says about this or ignore it.
We are not Children of God, not from birth anyway. (No one is born a child of God, we must A/S/K for that honor.) God created Adam, then from Adam Eve. We Are the offspring of those in whom He created.

Christ in Mat 13 Call us Seed:24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy. Some grow into wheat, and other's weeds. What gardner does not hate weeds? But as the parable says both are allowed to grow together till the harvest (Our death) then they will be seperated.

Only God know who is wheat and who is weed. We sometimes surround ourselves with so much weedieness we forget that at heart we have the potential to produce the wheat God is looking for. In the end Wheat is what God is looking for. Not everything that grows in the field is wheat.

[Godscreated]

...God...

Um, *cough*, some here might question your premises that there even is such a thing, or that it is even well defined.

Then it seems they have no dog in this race.

[FifthElement]

... So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy. Some grow into wheat, and other's weeds. What gardner does not hate weeds? But as the parable says both are allowed to grow together till the harvest (Our death) then they will be seperated...

And yet, plenty of believers interfere with this premise of yours by pluckin' lil' sprouts as soon as they spot that they might be "weeds", isn't that against the grand plan that ya all find so dear an sacred ?

[John V]

...God...

Um, *cough*, some here might question your premises that there even is such a thing, or that it is even well defined.

NSS, doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Yes.

Problem with your argument is that you assume all people are his children without supporting that premise Biblically. IIRC you do this every few months.

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Here's one from March:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17601.html

Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?

Does God the Father have any moral responsibility to his children?
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[Minimalist]

So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy.

Rather stupid of god to have created that enemy, then.

For a "god" your boy seems to fuck up quite a bit.

[Drich]

... So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy. Some grow into wheat, and other's weeds. What gardner does not hate weeds? But as the parable says both are allowed to grow together till the harvest (Our death) then they will be seperated...

And yet, plenty of believers interfere with this premise of yours by pluckin' lil' sprouts as soon as they spot that they might be "weeds", isn't that against the grand plan that ya all find so dear an sacred ?

I'm not so good with unexplained parables you're going to have to help me out here.

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So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy.

Rather stupid of god to have created that enemy, then.

For a "god" your boy seems to fuck up quite a bit.

Idk Minnie. Without 'him' there wouldn't be choice. After all who would represent the otherside of God's expressed will?

[FifthElement]

And yet, plenty of believers interfere with this premise of yours by pluckin' lil' sprouts as soon as they spot that they might be "weeds", isn't that against the grand plan that ya all find so dear an sacred ?

I'm not so good with unexplained parables you're going to have to help me out here.

Seriously, you did not get that lil' sprouts are children who are punished if they do not conform to religious dogma ?

[rexbeccarox]

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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’s sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’s parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should God’s responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

Regards
DL

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This is what happens when you either do not know what the bible says about this or ignore it.
We are not Children of God, not from birth anyway. (No one is born a child of God, we must A/S/K for that honor.) God created Adam, then from Adam Eve. We Are the offspring of those in whom He created.

Christ in Mat 13 Call us Seed:24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

So you see we are seed some God planted, and others were planted by God's enemy. Some grow into wheat, and other's weeds. What gardner does not hate weeds? But as the parable says both are allowed to grow together till the harvest (Our death) then they will be seperated.

Only God know who is wheat and who is weed. We sometimes surround ourselves with so much weedieness we forget that at heart we have the potential to produce the wheat God is looking for. In the end Wheat is what God is looking for. Not everything that grows in the field is wheat.

Except crabgrass can't a/s/k to be a rose bush.