Science confirms the Bible?

[ideologue08]

Sorry, "BIB"= "Bit In Bold."

Why would you blame Germany for WWI?

Oh right ok.

Because they instigated it? It was their fault it turned into a world war, if they didn't invade Belgium and France and declared war on Russia it wouldn't have been a world war.

[Minimalist]

Bullshit.

So, your saying science is use to prove the existence of God?!? Do you have any supporting documentation?

Science does not give a flying fuck about "god." That is for morons like you.

[littleendian]

Because they instigated it? It was their fault it turned into a world war, if they didn't invade Belgium and France and declared war on Russia it wouldn't have been a world war.

Okay, now it's no secret Germany has made mistakes, to say the VERY least, and we're paying for them to this day, but WW1 was no individual participant's fault, not even the nasty evil German's.

[smax]

Taking these claims one at a time...

"The Bible said the earth was round" Is 40:22.

FAIL!

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Tents have flat floors. That's the way they work. Also, Circle =/= sphere. This verse says the earth is a flat circle with the sky stretching out around it like the curtain of a tent.

"The Bible says there are an incalculable number of stars" Jer 33:22

DUBIOUS!

Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Host of Heaven = angels. Interpreting it as "stars" is a questionable interpretation. Additionally, I'd like to know where they got their facts that people believed there were 1,100 stars. It is possible ancient Hebrew society looked up in the sky and concluded there were too many to count. Certainly the author in his use of poetic license could have simply meant the stars, if indeed stars were his intended term, were too numerous to count. This is hardly earth-shattering.

"The Bible says the earth floated in space while conventional wisdom at the time said it sat on an animal" Job 26:7

HALF-TRUTH

It is true that the verse says the world hangs upon nothing. It is also true that the Bible in numerous other places says the world rests upon pillars (1 Sam 2:8). So conventional wisdom of the time was not entirely settled on the "resting on an animal". Apparently the authors of the OT thought it rested on pillars. In any event, a divine inspiration would not have the reference to pillars.

"The Bible says things are made of invisible elements" Heb 11:3

WTF?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

This follows that faith is the conviction of things not seen. That these invisible things = atoms is a stretch. This seems like a post hoc interpretation heavily influenced by confirmation bias.

"The Bible says each star is different" 1 Cor 15:41

FAIL!

1 Cor 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

This verse points out how the sun shines brighter than the moon which shine brighter than the stars and some stars are brighter than others. This is something ancient people could clearly see in the night's sky.

(To be continued...)

Good post. I'd just like to add that the notion that the scripture lines up with what is now known in scientific circles is, well, a new notion.

If scripture really painted the earth in a way consistent with science, Galileo Galilei would not have been so heavily persecuted by the church, and would not have had to spend his remaining days on permanent house arrest.

The verdict:

This time, Galileo's technical argument didn't win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: "We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo... have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world."

[KichigaiNeko]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

[smax]

A few comments:

The notion that the Bible says:

The Earth is a Sphere:

In Is 40:22, the hebrew word used for circle is chûgh, a variation of the word, mechûghah, is used elsewhere to describe a compass.

The word used to to describe a ball (or sphere) is dur (Is 22:18 "... toss you like a ball (or dur)..." To be fair, the word dur can also simply mean "round" but it's obviously the more appropriate word to use to describe a spherical object.

The number of stars is incalculable:

Am I the only one not impressed by this conclusion?

The Earth is suspended over nothing:

Job 26:7. This was Job's observation. God "corrected" him in his response, saying,

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. -- Proverbs 38:1-4

Turns out Job was right. Ouch!

The Universe made of invisible elements:

Hebrews 11:13 reads: "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command...."

This isn't science, it's magic, hence, the premise "by faith"

Each star is different:

Again, not impressed with the conclusion that merely required plain sight.

Light moves:

Job 38:19-20 Talk about a terrible, and counter-productive attempt to prove Biblical consistency with science. These verses blatantly expose biblical ignorance reqarding the spherical shape of the earth and it's relationship to the sun. Observe:

"What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside?"

Answer: the other side of our ROUND planet, which revolves around the sun, which provides constant light. LOL.

That's all for now, I may tackle the others later...

[smax]

.... continued

Air has weight

Job 28:25. "When he established the force of the wind..."

Seriously? I wonder how many tents got blown over before they figured this out?

Wind blows in cyclones

Ecc 1:6 "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course."

The power of observation. WOW!

Life is in the blood

Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of a creature is in the blood..."

What a revelation. I'm sure the excessive bleeding that preceded most deaths wasn't evidence enough. This has to have been a divine revelation. I've got another one: A man must breathe air to live. Merely observing a drowning or suffocation would never have made this self-evident.

.... to be continued

[Brian37]

.... continued

Air has weight

Job 28:25. "When he established the force of the wind..."

Seriously? I wonder how many tents got blown over before they figured this out?

Wind blows in cyclones

Ecc 1:6 "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course."

The power of observation. WOW!

Life is in the blood

Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of a creature is in the blood..."

What a revelation. I'm sure the excessive bleeding that preceded most deaths wasn't evidence enough. This has to have been a divine revelation. I've got another one: A man must breathe air to live. Merely observing a drowning or suffocation would never have made this self-evident.

.... to be continued

How stupid can anyone be to swallow such crap. When people argue these verses match up with science that is like a 4 year old knowing the word sun and having the ability to point at it. How the hell would that mean they know what it is made of or how it works?

Of course blood means life if you bleed too much you die. But that didn't mean they knew what hemoglobin or mitochondrial DNA was. They saw that when too much blood came out of the body the person died. That did not mean they knew how blood worked.

[DeistPaladin]

Germany was not solely to blame for WW1, all Europeans and their dogs were shits and giggles looking forward to that one not foreseeing the trenches and poison gas bullshit that resulted. It was a dumb war fought for no good reason except for Europe to vent steam and it was not worth dying for at all.

I've recently had the hobby of creating a hybrid board game, combining the map of "Diplomacy" with the rules for "A Game of Thrones" (the board game, not the books), I've immersed myself in the history of the first World War. I've probably done more research over this war than I ever did in school.

From my perspective, I'd agree with your assessment. Kaiser Wilhelm seems like our President W Bush, an idiot hothead who's solution to every problem was unilateral military action. At the same time, though, other nations were also chomping at the bit for a fight. France was looking for a rematch over the Franco-Prussian war and wanted to take back Alsace-Lorraine (a province I thought Germany had a stronger claim to anyway, since more people there identified as "German" rather then "French"). Bit of personal trivia, some of my ancestors fled that province to America and there was divided identity even within families. I was told one brother considered himself French while the other self-identified as German. Anyway, Austria wanted to crush Serbia. Serbia dreamed of creating a Yugoslavia from certain Austrian-controlled territory, led by them, of course. Russia felt an obligation to stand up for their fellow Slavs and identified with the Serbs. There's a lot of blame to go around.

I sometimes wonder over some "what-ifs" of that period. Could the crisis caused by the assassination of the Arch-Duke been resolved by four-party talks (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Serbia and Russia)? If not, what if Germany had taken a more defensive posture, waiting for France or Russia to throw the proverbial "first punch"? It would have been an awful risk, one a W Bush or a Kaiser W wouldn't have taken, but it might have avoided Britain's entry into the war against them as well as avoid the international stigma of being the aggressor. Heck, I wonder if France would have actually had the guts to attack first.

Then I wonder if pre-war tensions between France and Germany could have been alleviated. If the primary point of dispute was over Alsace-Lorraine, perhaps a peaceful compromise would have been both sides renounce ownership of it and grant its independence as a buffer state between the two? Would either side have agreed?

I've posted here before that the rape-fest at Versailles was one of the greatest tragedies of history. A Marshall Plan in 1919, not the treaty that was forced upon Germany, might have created a more stable democracy and avoided the rise of the Nazis. I've sometimes wondered why America retreated back into isolationism after WWI, even rejecting the very League of Nations we sought to create. My research points to disillusionment in the aftermath of the war. America entered it with such high ideals, making the world "safe for democracy" and creating a new League of Nations. At that time, we were still a minor power and could only be a voice of moderation at Versailles. We retreated back into isolation, like a sulking teenager in his room, and it took a declaration of war from Hitler to get us out of that isolationist mentality.

As for "getting their arse handed to them", dude, they were fighting Great Britain, France, Russia and America all at the same time. Cut them some slack for losing that one.

[smax]

How stupid can anyone be to swallow such crap. When people argue these verses match up with science that is like a 4 year old knowing the word sun and having the ability to point at it. How the hell would that mean they know what it is made of or how it works?

Of course blood means life if you bleed too much you die. But that didn't mean they knew what hemoglobin or mitochondrial DNA was. They saw that when too much blood came out of the body the person died. That did not mean they knew how blood worked.

Exactly. And, if you read scripture carefully, all it really does is convey the obvious. Or, in some cases, what may have seemed obvious at that time.