Science confirms the Bible?

[Esquilax]

How stupid can anyone be to swallow such crap. When people argue these verses match up with science that is like a 4 year old knowing the word sun and having the ability to point at it. How the hell would that mean they know what it is made of or how it works?

Not to mention, why did we need to discover all this twice? The bible was written by human authors, if they already knew all this stuff, why wasn't it common knowledge? Why wasn't it acted upon? Why did science need to confirm all of these things before all those good christians out there started acting like this was the reality? I mean, they all already knew it, right?

[NoraBrimstone]

Sorry, "BIB"= "Bit In Bold."

Why would you blame Germany for WWI?

Oh right ok.

Because they instigated it? It was their fault it turned into a world war, if they didn't invade Belgium and France and declared war on Russia it wouldn't have been a world war.

If we're laying the blame solely on who made it a "World" War, then Britain has a lot to answer for. How much of the World did we drag into it? The fact is, there was so much going on in Europe at that time that War was inevitable with or without Germany.

[littleendian]

If we're laying the blame solely on who made it a "World" War, then Britain has a lot to answer for. How much of the World did we drag into it? The fact is, there was so much going on in Europe at that time that War was inevitable with or without Germany.

Thanks. No matter how hard Hollywood tries, my Grandfathers were no more or less evil than the poor sods fighting and dying on the other side. Left right and center they were just dragged into something, maybe even conned into believing it's for the Great Good Cause ™ when in the end there's very little point to it. At the end its a few fat fucks in some very safe parliament building somewhere making decision of life and death of other people, not their own or that of their own sons, but about other peoples lifes. That fucking pisses me off so much I want to puke more than I can grub...

I wish there was a hell for them to fry in.

[ideologue08]

If we're laying the blame solely on who made it a "World" War, then Britain has a lot to answer for. How much of the World did we drag into it? The fact is, there was so much going on in Europe at that time that War was inevitable with or without Germany.

No, we don't have to answer for WW1, Germany was the sole instigator, it began hostilities in 2 countries, sending the third a declaration of war, it seems pretty clear cut to me, the French didn't even want a war for god's sake, it offered to withdraw its troops from the borders, but the Germans still went in anyway. And once you declare war on Russia, that's when you know you're asking for it.

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Thanks. No matter how hard Hollywood tries, my Grandfathers were no more or less evil than the poor sods fighting and dying on the other side. Left right and center they were just dragged into something

I understand that this is emotional for you, but the facts are the facts.

[Brian37]

How stupid can anyone be to swallow such crap. When people argue these verses match up with science that is like a 4 year old knowing the word sun and having the ability to point at it. How the hell would that mean they know what it is made of or how it works?

Not to mention, why did we need to discover all this twice? The bible was written by human authors, if they already knew all this stuff, why wasn't it common knowledge? Why wasn't it acted upon? Why did science need to confirm all of these things before all those good christians out there started acting like this was the reality? I mean, they all already knew it, right?

Muslims and Jews try to pull this crap too. But all it is psychological denial that their myths are irrelevant and were never needed to explain the nature of reality. It was understandable that humans made those myths back then because they didn't know any better, but anyone trying to claim science today props up their invisible friend is just plain lying.

[DeistPaladin]

If we're laying the blame solely on who made it a "World" War, then Britain has a lot to answer for. How much of the World did we drag into it? The fact is, there was so much going on in Europe at that time that War was inevitable with or without Germany.

I think that's going a bit far. Great Britain didn't enter the fray until Germany invaded Belgium and France.

It seems to me from the outside perspective that Britain had always played a pragmatic game of balance of power politics regarding mainland Europe. When Germany was disunited, that was when they were always helping the Germans against the French. When Germany united and the balance of power in Europe shifted, that was when they became friendly with France despite some colonial conflicts at that time.

The rationale isn't hard to comprehend. When Rome ruled Europe, they conquered Britain shortly after. The only times Britain has been seriously threatened is when Napoleon or Hitler had control of Europe. Britain places an understandable value on its independence from the mainland, especially since it had a better track record on individual rights and democracy at least until the last century. The mainland had its "absolutist" monarchs in the 17th-18th centuries and its reactionary politics in the 19th.

[DeistPaladin]

the French didn't even want a war for god's sake, it offered to withdraw its troops from the borders, but the Germans still went in anyway.

That's not my understanding of history. The Germans used their Schlieflan Plan to knock out France quickly and prevent a two-front war. France wasn't directly part of the Serbian conflict and so Germany had no motive to start a war with them except for a W Bush style pre-emptive-war-with-them-before-they-attack-us (another reason I see parallels between Kaiser W and W Bush).

Anyway, my understanding is that the Germans asked the French if they would stay out of the war with Russia and received only a nebulous reply of "we'll consider our best interests". France had an alliance with Russia and so Germany assumed a war with Russia would be a war with France as well.

As for Russia, it was Russia who threw the first punch in its war with Germany, invading both East Prussia and Austria-Hungary's province of Galecia.

Now Germany's pre-emptive war with France was an act of aggression and arguably foolish, as was our war of aggression in Iraq based on the same pre-emptive rationale. Such foreign policy is dangerous to pursue.

[ideologue08]

Yes but France were flirting with the idea of withdrawing, not with war, which is obviously typical of the French. And also, Russia only attacked because they received a formal declaration of war. The Germans had no reason to do what they did and they rightfully paid the price. And comparing the US-Iraq war with Germany, really? C'mon now, at least France had some ability to strike back, whereas Iraq posed absolutely no threat, they could barely extract oil from their own fields and yet somehow Bush labelled them a National Security risk, and the lovely Blair went in front of us and told us with a straight face that Saddam had chemical weapons that could reach the UK within 45 minutes!

[little_monkey]

(1) First sentence: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

No, earth came about 5 Billion years ago, that's 9 Billion years after the Big Bang.

(2) Next: "3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

No, photons existed at the Big Bang, not after the earth was created, so light was created 14 billions years ago, not when earth was created. Day and night only make sense in terms of the sun-earth system, but I doubt the writers of the bible ever understood that concept.

(1) The creation of light is followed immediately about
(2) the creation of day and night.

Considering that (1) took place 14 billion years ago and (2) took place 5 billion years ago, these are not on the same scale.

This clearly indicates that the authors of the bible were just guessing. And in light of the rudimentary knowledge of the world they had in those days, it can be considered as "reasonable", if you're willing to be very, very generous, but nothing we would consider as accurate. Not when you've missed by 9 billion years!!

[DeistPaladin]

And comparing the US-Iraq war with Germany, really? C'mon now, at least France had some ability to strike back, whereas Iraq posed absolutely no threat, they could barely extract oil from their own fields and yet somehow Bush labelled them a National Security risk, and the lovely Blair went in front of us and told us with a straight face that Saddam had chemical weapons that could reach the UK within 45 minutes!

I think we're in agreement then on how W's war with Iraq was a war of aggression and, if there were any justice in the world, his whole gang would be standing trial at the Hague right now for what they did.