This Will Drive the Right-Wing

[Minimalist]

straight up a fucking wall....

(Worth trying just to see that!)


http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/17104-...the-answer

Jobs Are Not the Answer

There is no evidence to back up the claim that we can create jobs for everyone who wants one. To rely on jobs and economic growth does not work. We have to get rid of the myth that "welfare-to-work" will solve the problems of unemployment, poverty, and homelessness.

[Zen Badger]

The fact that it makes sense will automatically condemn it in the eyes of the elite.
The existence of poverty is necessary to drive their economic empires.

[Minimalist]

The only welfare they like is corporate welfare!

[Walking Void]

The monetary economy is a primal system. I am sure a better 1 can be invented.

[Minimalist]

You are overlooking the Golden Rule*, W/V.





* Them that has the Gold make the rules.

[Walking Void]

Give me a few years and I will show You some ideas.

(after all the economy has been built upon since the idea of "property", making it very complex. If I were to build an idea of an economy, imagine how much time I would have to put into matching it in security)

[cratehorus]

I love the idea of a basic income guarantee... I had not heard this was being implented in namibia.......

A two-year, basic income pilot program just concluded in Otjivero, Namibia. Each of 930 villagers received 1000 Namibian dollars (US$12.40) each month. Malnutritition rates of children under five fell from 42% to zero. Droupout rates at the school fell from 40% to almost zero. It led to an increase in small businesses.

the us labor movement was going to have us all working 4 days a week 4 hours a day with 4 weeks of vacation, with unlimited free education for all........ regardless of age, current education, or immigration status..........essentialy you could stay in school all your life......... but this was destroyed for several reasons (belch!!! reagan) now we have to work 4 jobs too survive and tuition is so high most americans say a college education is simply not worth it why? because it won't earn you enough monetary gain compared to the cost of paying back your student loans or paying tuition

there is no red menace we are not fighting japan or the nazis anymore there really is no point to "producing" as much as possible.... we should be building a greater society

[FlyingNarwhal]

I'm kinda iffy on this. In a lot of ways it definitely makes sense. Automation and efficiency are slowly killing jobs, while population is always rising so I certainly agree that there won't be enough jobs in the near future (maybe even now). But I have a few concerns. For one, I think we would absolutely need to get our debt under control and there would need to be good revenue coming in to the government. If we go with Charles Murray and have a $10,000 grant to every American we are looking at grants for 300,000,000 people, meaning an annual 3 trillion dollars would be spent on the program annually. So we are looking at a fifth of our current national debt being spent every year.

My second concern ties in with the first one. Say we pass this into legislation and every American gets this grant and this program stays in effect for one or two generations. But eventually, the program is no longer able to be sustained. Maybe we weren't able to control debt with the program in place, or we don't have enough revenue coming in, or even possibly our population grows much larger increasing the annual expenses. Then the problem becomes that the American people have become reliant on this money. So if the government is not able to continue giving out the grants, it is going to hit the people hard. Money that they were previously able to budget into their daily living expenses is gone and $10,000 is a lot of money to no longer have.

I'm definitely open to the idea of something like it, but I'm just not sure if it would ultimately good in the long run.

[downbeatplumb]

Automation and efficiency are slowly killing jobs, while population is always rising so I certainly agree that there won't be enough jobs in the near future (maybe even now).

When I was at school we had the boss of the local IBM firm to speak. One of the things he said was that their end goal was to have some tell a computer (an IBM one I would guess) what they wanted to make. The computer would work out the design, the factory would configure itself to build it and so on.
I thought to my 14 year old self "who is going to buy it? only one man has a job in that world"

[CleanShavenJesus]

I want to say jobs ARE the answer, because productivity by one individual worker drives on the economy to create a little more prosperity than there was before, which leads to more people being hired and other people getting rewarded for their work. I also want to say If you implement an income guarantee, you shatter the foundations of economics by removing the key incentive to be productive in society - that, by being productive, you can take care of you and your own.

But there is evidence in that very article to controdict my point. I'd like to research this more.

I'll be back.