(July 25, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 10:01 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Philosophy says it, not I. And that's what he's doing. Indeed, if someone states that "god does not exist", the burden then falls to that person to show why that is. I'm not going to do his work for him, but the points he makes are much more reasonable than the ones that believers in god assert.
I've been here for over three years and not one shred of proof has been given to show God does not exist.
Not a shred of proof has been given to show that leprechauns don't exist, either.
(July 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ronedee Wrote: (July 25, 2013 at 4:08 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: LOL, all you were asked to do was find a single atheist claiming what you said we claim. One! You're hilariously evasive. 
How about every "supposed" Atheist? Don't you even know what you are?
Webster: Definition of ATHEISM
1archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2a : a [disbelief in the existence] of deity b : the doctrine that [there is no] deity
Doesn't say life came from nothing. Doesn't say atheists believe life came from nothing. It might have been a mistake when you said it, but if you continue to claim it's what we say
knowing you can't find a single example of an atheist saying it, it's no longer a mistake, it's lying.
But let me break it down for you: One, there's nothing in the definition of atheist that entails atheists having to have a specific belief regarding the origin of life. I've known atheists who believe in ghosts, if an atheist believed the first living cell was poofed into existence by Casper, that wouldn't make them a theist, just delusional.
Two: certainly in the West, most atheists accept that some version of natural abiogenesis is the most likely explanation for the origin of life. No hypotheses of abiogenesis involve life appearing from nothing. They all involve the earliest life arising from chemical proccesses. Chemicals are not 'nothing', so you will never hear a person who thinks along these lines say that life came from nothing.
Three: I would be less surprised to find out ghosts really do exist than I would be if you actually admitted that you were not right when you said that atheists say life came from nothing.
(July 26, 2013 at 10:53 am)ronedee Wrote: (July 26, 2013 at 10:49 am)Psykhronic Wrote: Hmm. Are belief and knowledge different things? Because if they are then one can be both and Atheist and Agnostic. I'm going to hint at this one: Yeah you can be both, just like one can be an agnostic theist.
Well... I've never heard of an "agnostic atheist"... It actually sounds laughable!
My dad is an atheist, and my brother an agnostic. You'd never know by their arguments that they share the same opinion.
Be a man/cat... pick one.
Agnostic atheists and gnostic atheists are just different varieties of the same species. Like Tabbies or Siamese, not like humans or cats.
Most atheists are agnostic atheist. It's not a new thing. It's also called 'negative atheism', as opposed to 'positive atheism'. Positive atheists are a minority among atheits.
Utter certainty is not required to be an atheist or a theist. If you took the positon that you don't know if God exists, but you believe he does anyway; 'poof', you would no longer have the burden of proof...but then you would have to accept that you don't have valid arguments to prove God's existence and you belong to a prosyletizing religion, so you need to believe you have them, else it would be blatantly unjust for the God you believe condemns nonbelievers to hell to do so.
I on the other hand, argue for the sport of deconstructing bad arguments and could care less if you become an atheist...the most I want from you is to someday be able to tell when you're about to make an unsound argument. I don't have a need to get people to stop believing in God, it's not my business what they believe unless their beliefs lead to actions that make it my business.
(July 26, 2013 at 10:59 am)ronedee Wrote: (July 26, 2013 at 10:53 am)Chas Wrote: No, I am not. I believe that no gods exist.
There is no evidence for their existence.
I am not claiming no gods exist, I am stating disbelief.
Have I found the "achilles heel" of atheism? "Ambiguity".
Yet the Christian must be crystal clear about everything that exists his pie-hole.
You educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God
You don't have to be crystal clear. You could be humble and admit that you don't know the unknowable. I'm not holding my breath for that, though.
