Why I Am Pro-Life

[NoraBrimstone]

Aborting is taking responsibility. Why don't you understand that? You can genuinely believe that carrying the child to term and just leaving it to fend for itself or have a shitty upbringing is in any way responsible.

[fr0d0]

Aborting is taking responsibility.

Aborting justified by calling something a parasite or any other excuse isn't taking responsibility.

Aborting and fully acknowledging the consequences is responsibility.

[Slave]

Aborting is taking responsibility. Why don't you understand that? You can genuinely believe that carrying the child to term and just leaving it to fend for itself or have a shitty upbringing is in any way responsible.

fr0d0 said it better.

Your shitty upbringing comment is a strawman. If the two adults having sex in question don't desire a child for whatever reason - be it financial or emotional - they don't have to have one.

[NoraBrimstone]

Aborting is taking responsibility.

Aborting justified by calling something a parasite or any other excuse isn't taking responsibility.

Aborting and fully acknowledging the consequences is responsibility.

But it is a parasite.

[Rahul]

Your cited article doesn't support your statement (bolded). So your statement remains your opinion, which is contrary to scientific consensus.

That's because we are defining human differently from one another.

When I say human I mean a human with conscious awareness. With a developed human brain and that brain is alive. So for me a fetus in the beginning of development and a brain dead adult carry the same moral guilt over terminating it's life processes. None.

You mean human for anything that genetically is human even if it didn't have most of it's brain.

Genetically my severed finger can be tested and proven to be human. It doesn't make it a person.

That's the difference for me. A first and second trimester fetus doesn't have the mental capacity and wetware to become self-aware.

[fr0d0]

Yes we know Rahul. To you a finger is a human. Who knew?!

Yeah your dismissal of a living human life being worthless I find abhorrent. You're entitled to that opinion, as I am mine.

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Aborting justified by calling something a parasite or any other excuse isn't taking responsibility.

But it is a parasite.

A fetus is a symbiot and not a parasite. It is in the genetic interest of the host to reproduce itself via the fetus.

Parasites are trying to pass one their own genes by stealing resources from the host.

[Rahul]

Yes we know Rahul. To you a finger is a human. Who knew?!

Yeah your dismissal of a living human life being worthless I find abhorrent. You're entitled to that opinion, as I am mine.

A severed finger is genetically human without the ability to think. Just like an 8 week old fetus.

Human beings are not worthless. A developing fetus with no higher brain having developed is genetically human, but it is not a "Human Being". It doesn't have the mental capacity to be one yet.

And I agree that we are both entitled to our opinion. The problem with your side of the debate is you want to take my choices in this matter away from me. While my side of the debate wants everyone to make their own choice.

[fr0d0]

Rahul, once again, please show me where I'm taking away your choice!!!!

I am fully supportive of choice. Absolutely entirely. Without reservation. The choice is the parents'. What I'm not supportive of is you justifying your lack of responsibility because we should be thinking of unborn humans as no more than fingers. To me that's just avoiding your responsibility.

[NoraBrimstone]

Yes we know Rahul. To you a finger is a human. Who knew?!

Yeah your dismissal of a living human life being worthless I find abhorrent. You're entitled to that opinion, as I am mine.

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But it is a parasite.

A fetus is a symbiot and not a parasite. It is in the genetic interest of the host to reproduce itself via the fetus.

Parasites are trying to pass one their own genes by stealing resources from the host.

Tut tut. Making up definitions now?

Let's ask a dictionary...

par·a·site (pr-st)
n.
1. Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.

Well, would you look at that now.

[Rahul]

Rahul, once again, please show me where I'm taking away your choice!!!!

I am fully supportive of choice. Absolutely entirely. Without reservation. The choice is the parents'. What I'm not supportive of is you justifying your lack of responsibility because we should be thinking of unborn humans as no more than fingers. To me that's just avoiding your responsibility.

You're pro-choice? Well good. I was always pro-choice even when I was religious.

And don't talk about me "justifying my lack of responsibility". I have taken full responsibility for every child I have ever helped become conceived and still am. No woman I ever impregnated ever aborted any fetus I helped create. Both times it has occured I was all for it developing into a human being so I could nuture and take care of them.

I've been responsible as all get out for my little girls.