Why I Am Pro-Life

[pineapplebunnybounce]

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You want my opinion on what I think is ethical??

Every situation is unique. It isn't possible to say either way. I trust that people weigh up the pros and cons and make the right selection. All I add to the mix is that human life begins at conception (P). That your choice should take that into account.

What is my position on IVF? I think every situation is different. Considering P is necessary.
Maybe all of those choices you've given examples of are changed slightly when factoring P.

That's my position.

Uhm. How can anyone not take that into account? Obviously you know something is growing inside of you or you wouldn't be considering abortion. Whether or not you call it life is another thing. And whether or not you think by calling it life it deserves something is a whole other issue (I call it life, I don't think it deserve anything), which is actually the one you're arguing for, right? Because you think that if life begins at conception, it should have some sway in the decision, correct? So what is it you think this embryo deserve?

I think it deserves however much the mum is going to give it. Which is the case all the time. Except when she isn't able to get an abortion.

Also, while I'm thrilled that you came up with shortforms for both my username and the term "life at conception" (because you say this so so much), i'm less thrilled that you used the same letter.

Please stop saying life at conception as if it'll change anything, just say what you think it should mean.

[bladevalant546]

For record I am not pro-life or pro-abortion. I am just for rationality and reason. It is only logical to find a better solution and that is sex education and better contraceptives. Abortion is a good issue to get votes that what it is used for. I was rather frustrated with other things so I just felt like ranting. But seriously lets be honest here.

Miminalist I know about that and that is what changed my stance from strict prolife. I think a living being has prioity...i have no idea where you get that idea. I cannot seem to find in my post I stated abortion was wrong or I was against it.....

[NoraBrimstone]

What about removing human tonsils? Is that immoral, too?

[catfish]

What about removing human tonsils? Is that immoral, too?

Only if they're not yours.

[bladevalant546]

What about removing human tonsils? Is that immoral, too?

Technically that is a straw man, however what is moral? I mean is it more moral to punish a couple (and mother health wise) for a mistake. Not to mention the body does its own abortions kinda, called miscarriages.

To honest, I think if we boil everything down to it. A woman should have a right to her body, in fact to share a story me and my girlfriend had a pregnancy scare. I told her I support her in her choices. Yes even an abortion and since I am in Louisiana, I would have paid for it. She has the genetics that can make giving birth deadly, not to mention it would be unfair for any child to be born right now as we cannot provide for it. I however understand what I am doing, it is a potential life (not "a person") but a potential nonetheless.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

For record I am not pro-life or pro-abortion. I am just for rationality and reason. It is only logical to find a better solution and that is sex education and better contraceptives. Abortion is a good issue to get votes that what it is used for. I was rather frustrated with other things so I just felt like ranting. But seriously lets be honest here.

Miminalist I know about that and that is what changed my stance from strict prolife. I think a living being has prioity...i have no idea where you get that idea. I cannot seem to find in my post I stated abortion was wrong or I was against it.....

Access to safe abortion is a different topic from contraceptives and sex education. It's a women's right issue, women need to be able to get an abortion if they so choose. Even if we perfect contraceptives (which is not happening anytime soon), unwanted pregnancy still happens, and when it does, abortion clinics need to be there. Sometimes it's even planned pregnancies, but the fetus has conditions the parents aren't equipped to deal with, they should be able to choose to abort if they so wish.

I may be short-sighted, but abortion as a medical intervention is here to stay.

I think Minimalist said that because you said abortion is destructive. I don't understand that either, why is it destructive?

[bladevalant546]

For record I am not pro-life or pro-abortion. I am just for rationality and reason. It is only logical to find a better solution and that is sex education and better contraceptives. Abortion is a good issue to get votes that what it is used for. I was rather frustrated with other things so I just felt like ranting. But seriously lets be honest here.

Miminalist I know about that and that is what changed my stance from strict prolife. I think a living being has prioity...i have no idea where you get that idea. I cannot seem to find in my post I stated abortion was wrong or I was against it.....

Access to safe abortion is a different topic from contraceptives and sex education. It's a women's right issue, women need to be able to get an abortion if they so choose. Even if we perfect contraceptives (which is not happening anytime soon), unwanted pregnancy still happens, and when it does, abortion clinics need to be there. Sometimes it's even planned pregnancies, but the fetus has conditions the parents aren't equipped to deal with, they should be able to choose to abort if they so wish.

I may be short-sighted, but abortion as a medical intervention is here to stay.

I think Minimalist said that because you said abortion is destructive. I don't understand that either, why is it destructive?

I think it is fair to explain my logic. Sorry I been rather short on patience in regards to bullshit. I meant by that it is destroying a potential person. While under rape and incest it is pretty easy shut and close case. Just like killing in war, I feel like there should be better ways. We are not sadly in a perfect world. I think abortion should stay and it is good. As I stated, I live in Louisiana and abortion clinics are few and far between and most insurance will not cover it. I apologize Deistpaladin, minimalist and to you also for making a rather lame example of myself. It is kind of below my standard to let emotions rule my reason. I understand first hand the scare it has to myself, not to mention my girlfriend of unexpected pregnancies. Thank you for being reasonable.

[Minimalist]

I quoted the line which set me off.

There are no non-destructive ideas here. On one side we have people who want to grant women control over their own bodies and on the other we have people who are "pro-life" right up to birth and then they are perfectly willing to say "fuck off, you little welfare recipient." Please try to remember that the same bunch of jerk offs ( mainly catholics who are the ultimate in phoniness) do not want contraception either. They want to punish women with unwanted children because they think their fucking god wants it that way.

[bladevalant546]

I quoted the line which set me off.

There are no non-destructive ideas here. On one side we have people who want to grant women control over their own bodies and on the other we have people who are "pro-life" right up to birth and then they are perfectly willing to say "fuck off, you little welfare recipient." Please try to remember that the same bunch of jerk offs ( mainly catholics who are the ultimate in phoniness) do not want contraception either. They want to punish women with unwanted children because they think their fucking god wants it that way.

I know how that feels, my girlfriend uses catholic insurance (her fathers) and we had a scare the other day. Yea.....it stupid.

[fr0d0]

whether or not you think by calling it life it deserves something is a whole other issue (I call it life, I don't think it deserve anything), which is actually the one you're arguing for, right?

Wrong.

Because you think that if life begins at conception, it should have some sway in the decision, correct?

Incorrect