Capitalism: The Foundation of Human Life and Morality

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Kool-aid you're an idiot. There's no point in even talking to you because you are clueless as to what you're talking about.

And because the majority of people agree with me there's nothing you can do about it except bend over and assume the position.

The market says you deserve an operation to remove the stick out of your ass. You have no say. So, lube up!

[Koolay]

If I asked you, what seperates human behaviour from the behaviour of animals what would you say?

Probably thinking, language, negotiation, something like that?

Well indeed, yes. Negotiation and language is the litmus paper test between human and non human. Unlike other primitive species, when we want something from another, we will usually negotiate, trade or convince someone to do it, non violently, non coercively. This saves both parties from injury, and also both parties win, rather than one killing or injuring the other and taking the other's food or whatever.

If I grow oranges, and you grow apples, by us trading, we now get to eat both oranges and apples, so we both benefit from the trade. Whereas if one were to forcefully take the other's produce, only one of us would benefit.

The only alternative to free market capitalism is coercion, stealing and aggression.

Of course, humans can be our predators. Not everyone wants to peacefully trade and negotiate.



These primitive people are incapable of trade and negotiation and will threat, extort, steal your resources. They are devoid of empathy, most of them are in what are called governments- were groups of people are not bound by the laws of the non aggression principle that we follow.

It's no secret the most violent, corrupt and repugnant of people are against free trade. These people are your predators, these people are those who will take your resources and put you in a cage if you disagree with what they think, and they will say you are a bad person if you do not like it. To support governments is to spit on yourself and wipe the boots of your oppressor. Free market capitalism is freedom, and inevitably, it will prevail.

Bullshit. This is simplistic.

First off "capitalism" IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. China capitalizes off the sale of cheap goods on the backs of slave wages. Saudi Arabia capitalizes off the sale of oil.

All humans seek power, as individuals and groups. Money is the way those things are maintained. Anything can go off the rails if left to it's own devices, religion, politics, nationalism, AND BUSINESS.

Everything can be gamed because humans run all those things.

Capitalism isn't a cure, it is a means, just like politics and religion. All of those things are group think that seek resources to gain a advantage.

The issue is monopolies of power and abuse of power. Business by itself can be just as harmful and exploit just like religion and politics.

"I scratch your back you scratch mine" is what we all do, in all those aspects. But what makes it more fair is when we insist in law that no one can have a monopoly of power, INCLUDING BUSINESS.

Capitalism does not violate the non aggression principle. Government does. Do not compare two things which are fundamentally different moral states.

[Minimalist]

The Romans used to parade captured enemies through the streets and then publicly strangle them. Perhaps you think the American empire should do the same?

That's not slavery, although it's a great idea. I mean, you have thousands of permanent detainees, and some broadcast corporations have poor Nielsen ratings. If only there was some way to reduce the prison population, as well as revitalizing the entertainment industry.

But I'm talking about something more permanent. Photo op: "Obama uses Hussein as footrest while doing Sunday crossword. Here's a pic of Bin Laden giving the presidential pooch a curly pink perm."

You'll forgive me if I dismiss you as a Nazi bastard?

If not. I don't care.

[bennyboy]

That's not slavery, although it's a great idea. I mean, you have thousands of permanent detainees, and some broadcast corporations have poor Nielsen ratings. If only there was some way to reduce the prison population, as well as revitalizing the entertainment industry.

But I'm talking about something more permanent. Photo op: "Obama uses Hussein as footrest while doing Sunday crossword. Here's a pic of Bin Laden giving the presidential pooch a curly pink perm."

You'll forgive me if I dismiss you as a Nazi bastard?

If not. I don't care.

Well, there are two possibilities here:
1) I'm 14 years old, think Hitler is cool, and think slavery should come back, except with Muslim captives instead of Africans.
2) I'm being "ironical," making fun of Koolay's cheap appeal to emotion vis a vis slavery in trying to re-inject the idea of governmental oppression in a thread that was apparently (and finally) going to be about something else.

You can choose whichever option you think is right, but I think my astounding ability to write a grammatical sentence should give you a hint.

[Brian37]

Bullshit. This is simplistic.

First off "capitalism" IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. China capitalizes off the sale of cheap goods on the backs of slave wages. Saudi Arabia capitalizes off the sale of oil.

All humans seek power, as individuals and groups. Money is the way those things are maintained. Anything can go off the rails if left to it's own devices, religion, politics, nationalism, AND BUSINESS.

Everything can be gamed because humans run all those things.

Capitalism isn't a cure, it is a means, just like politics and religion. All of those things are group think that seek resources to gain a advantage.

The issue is monopolies of power and abuse of power. Business by itself can be just as harmful and exploit just like religion and politics.

"I scratch your back you scratch mine" is what we all do, in all those aspects. But what makes it more fair is when we insist in law that no one can have a monopoly of power, INCLUDING BUSINESS.

Capitalism does not violate the non aggression principle. Government does. Do not compare two things which are fundamentally different moral states.

STOP IT! You are falling for dogma yourself.

ONCE AGAIN, "Capitalism" IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

People can be greedy and use money to create monopolies of power. GADDAFFI was a billionaire. Wealth or the ability to gain wealth does not insure that those who become wealthy will have the interest of others in mind. You stupidly assume that people who get wealthy cant do bad things with their wealth. ALL POWER, be it political or religious or BUSINESS takes money to maintain that power. So business has just as much capability of becoming abusive.

I am for private business ownership and wealth can do good things, but you stupidly assume that rich people cant be abusive themselves when I gave you an example of a rich person who used his wealth to create a monopoly of power.

Stop watching Fucks News.

[Koolay]

Capitalism does not violate the non aggression principle. Government does. Do not compare two things which are fundamentally different moral states.

STOP IT! You are falling for dogma yourself.

ONCE AGAIN, "Capitalism" IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

People can be greedy and use money to create monopolies of power. GADDAFFI was a billionaire. Wealth or the ability to gain wealth does not insure that those who become wealthy will have the interest of others in mind. You stupidly assume that people who get wealthy cant do bad things with their wealth. ALL POWER, be it political or religious or BUSINESS takes money to maintain that power. So business has just as much capability of becoming abusive.

I am for private business ownership and wealth can do good things, but you stupidly assume that rich people cant be abusive themselves when I gave you an example of a rich person who used his wealth to create a monopoly of power.

Stop watching Fucks News.

Okay, well we can disagree on that, and have conversations about it. But were I draw the line is when you start pointing guns at people.

[bennyboy]

Okay, well we can disagree on that, and have conversations about it. But were I draw the line is when you start pointing guns at people.

Okay, so just to clarify-- you are against gun ownership, right?

[Praetorian]

Know what I love and hate about these forums? That after I read the OP and get mad enough to post about it, everyone has already made all my points.

Koolay, where do you usually hang out online? I want to go to the bizarro forums where I can voice my opinion and get yelled at for it :p.

[Koolay]

Okay, well we can disagree on that, and have conversations about it. But were I draw the line is when you start pointing guns at people.

Okay, so just to clarify-- you are against gun ownership, right?

No, where did you get that from?

I am against violations of the non aggression principle. Owning weapons does not violate NAP.

[Brian37]

STOP IT! You are falling for dogma yourself.

ONCE AGAIN, "Capitalism" IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

People can be greedy and use money to create monopolies of power. GADDAFFI was a billionaire. Wealth or the ability to gain wealth does not insure that those who become wealthy will have the interest of others in mind. You stupidly assume that people who get wealthy cant do bad things with their wealth. ALL POWER, be it political or religious or BUSINESS takes money to maintain that power. So business has just as much capability of becoming abusive.

I am for private business ownership and wealth can do good things, but you stupidly assume that rich people cant be abusive themselves when I gave you an example of a rich person who used his wealth to create a monopoly of power.

Stop watching Fucks News.

Okay, well we can disagree on that, and have conversations about it. But were I draw the line is when you start pointing guns at people.

Name me one government that does not aim guns at people? I want cops and I want military. You don't? That is called anarchy and is as bad as fascism.

Monopolies of power is the issue. Not the fact that governments exist.