It is true because you dont understand it

[theblindferrengi]

It here has been established that we don't know if god exists or not, but according to the church of christianity god exists, and there is no question about it. To the observation of gods illogical nature, you will get something like "its all part of gods plan" or "gods plan is too complex for humans to understand" basically, god exists because humans cannot understand god, and therefore they [the more stubborn of the christians] think this voids any athistic argument.

So christians who don't understand god, and believe in god are the norm. Why not other things then? In part this does happen, when the church tells us something, and tries to pass it as truth, and tells us we dont understand it therefore it is true. This was entirely how the church operated in the dark ages, and the main reason nothing got done during the dark ages, and it still occurs today among the more fundamental of churches; the catholic church, and the vatican still has this power over people to basically make up truth, although they don't use this for the most part, I still think it is unacceptable for them to have the power to explain anything as the truth like they do god.

[Violet]

They still do this today... in the Vatican's decision regarding condoms, for instance.

[fr0d0]

Your logic is seriously screwey TBF. But that's the nature of atheism I guess

[Minimalist]

they [the more stubborn of the christians] think this voids any athistic argument.

They don't actually "think" as much as they merely repeat silly mantras over and over. Pay them no mind.

[Eilonnwy]

Your logic is seriously screwey TBF. But that's the nature of atheism I guess

He's only expressing the logic of the theists.

[chatpilot]

Typical Christian responses to things they don't know or understand:

1 Corinthians 13:9,10,12

9.For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10.But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
12.For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Isaiah 55:8,9

8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The only thing perfect or logical about the word of God is that it has a cop out answer for pretty much anything you can think of as seen by the two passages above.The will of the creator is beyond our finite little maggot minds to understand them.The bible is famous for two things either it blames mankind for all the evil in the world or it debases mankind if he does not submit his so called free will to the will of the biblical God.

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Not to mention that anyone who thinks or believes anything other than what Christianity teaches or professes as truth (atheist or or other) is ensnared by the devil.

2 Timothy 2:24-26
24.And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25.In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26.And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

[fr0d0]

He's only expressing the logic of the theists

...from a position of ignorance. Yes.

[Dotard]

God transcends puny human understanding.

[chatpilot]

What do you think faith is? Voluntary ignorance,nothing more and nothing less.

[Eilonnwy]

It is not. The many of atheists are first generation, meaning they believed and then converted. Of course in your arrogance you would claim they were never true Christians or true believers, but they were.

I understand the Christian mindset given I used to have one, and in one breath they'll claim you can't understand God then claim something is God-given. This is not abnormal or an ignorant observation, it is fact. I had a conversation with a lady who claimed that the death of a coworkers husband in a car crash was God's will, when it's time to go, you go. And yet when I asked her if free will was involved, she said it was. The driver chose to run the red light which resulted in the other person's death but it was still God's will that it happened.

It's absurd to the highest degree to proclaim there is free will, but that "God has a plan". Is it absurd to the highest degree to assert you can't know or understand God then assert God planned for you to become a basketball player or win an award, yet these claims are made ALL the time.