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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 1:31 pm
If it's not a choice does that mean they've made it compulsory?
Just kidding. I couldn't be gay even if I wanted to so I imagine that same thing is true for gay people trying to be straight.
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 1:34 pm
To be clear, the most common position is not that homosexuality as an orientation is a choice, but homosexual behavior is, and that's hard to deny. I mean, yeah, I chose to have sex with a girl (a bunch of times). But my alternative is to act against my nature and either be celibate or date guys, which would be painful to me and the guys.
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm by Anomalocaris.)
The question to my mind was never about whether any aspect of homosexuality is a choice or not.
The question is, is it ever right to shackle the modern mind in the name of a bronze age bogeymen?
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Aside from the irrelevancy of it supposedly being a choice, it is not in fact a choice. For starters, if homosexuality - a preference - is a choice, then that means you can choose your preferences. But what allows you to choose your preferences, other preferences which presumably are also chosen? Infinite regress from the word go. This seems a good rendition:
"Perhaps you can do as you please but you cannot please as you please." ~Bertrand Russell
Also, if you can choose to be homosexual, why don't those who say it's a choice demonstrate that by choosing to be homosexual? Why should they worry? They can always choose to "go back" after the demonstration that they have honestly and truly chosen to temporarily be gay. But as expected, they just want to decry it and pseudo-justify it.
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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Alright fine, homosexuality isn't a choice....but legalization of gay marriage will still lead to the legalization polygamy, pedophilia, and snuff films, so, whether or not it's a choice is invalid!
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm
(August 6, 2013 at 1:34 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: To be clear, the most common position is not that homosexuality as an orientation is a choice, but homosexual behavior is, and that's hard to deny. I mean, yeah, I chose to have sex with a girl (a bunch of times). But my alternative is to act against my nature and either be celibate or date guys, which would be painful to me and the guys.
What do you do to men that is painful?
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm
(August 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Alright fine, homosexuality isn't a choice....but legalization of gay marriage will still lead to the legalization polygamy, pedophilia, and snuff films, so, whether or not it's a choice is invalid!
Not to mention people marrying their pets! Where, oh where, will the depravity end?
As a straight male, I have absolutely no doubt that I didn't choose to be attracted to women, any more than my gay cousin "chose" to be attracted to men. But leaving that aside, even if one's sexual orientation was somehow a choice, my stock answer to the self-appointed thought police is, "It's none of your fucking business."
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:33 pm
(August 6, 2013 at 2:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (August 6, 2013 at 1:34 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: To be clear, the most common position is not that homosexuality as an orientation is a choice, but homosexual behavior is, and that's hard to deny. I mean, yeah, I chose to have sex with a girl (a bunch of times). But my alternative is to act against my nature and either be celibate or date guys, which would be painful to me and the guys.
What do you do to men that is painful? Well, not having sex with them. Blue balls and all.
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:36 pm
I think they would not find it painful if you would have sex with another woman in front of them.
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RE: "Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox
August 6, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I've had the same thoughts, but I put them a little more succinctly. I just tell anyone that thinks homosexuality is a choice to go be gay for a month and videotape it to prove it.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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