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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 15, 2013 at 9:44 pm
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(August 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've had friends die for their religion. It's all too real in my experience.
The sadder scenario is those who commit suicide due to the theistitards informing them that they are evil, sinful, abnormal, not meant for this world, etc.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 15, 2013 at 9:50 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 9:44 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (August 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've had friends die for their religion. It's all too real in my experience.
The sadder scenario is those who commit suicide due to the theistitards informing them that they are evil, sinful, abnormal, not meant for this world, etc.
Makes me want to throat punch a person. 'Judge not...' my ass! Keep your fucked up beliefs to yourselves! Bah.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 15, 2013 at 9:52 pm
The twisted thing is those doing the judging think they're saving you from eternal damnation. Well that's what they claim. I think they just want to feel superior to us sinners.
One of the many many evils of religion.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've had friends die for their religion. It's all too real in my experience.
How does one die for one's religion outside of the Middle East?
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 15, 2013 at 11:20 pm
FaithNoMore wrote:
Quote:What a painful existence.
Makes me wonder what their suicide rate is.
Jehova's Witnesses can't do that either (suicide).
Should be there in the list, somewhere between "no bingo" and "no shaking of the booty". If the last one I mentioned is not in the list either, it should be there, somewhere between "no bingo" and "no use of the word booty". If the last one I mentioned is not in there, should be there...
Pointing around: "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you, I'm out!"
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 16, 2013 at 12:43 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (August 15, 2013 at 9:40 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I've had friends die for their religion. It's all too real in my experience.
How does one die for one's religion outside of the Middle East? As 'Maelstrom' pointed out.... suicide.
I lost two friends to suicide because they could never measure up to what their religion told them they should be. One was a christian fundamentalist who was only 22 years old. The other was a more mainline evangelical who was 19. I have to laugh to keep from getting upset. This thread is actually an effort to vent my dire concerns.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 9:50 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: 'Judge not...' my ass!
I'm reminded of our "friend" jstrodel, who has left these forums. He told me that Jesus personally told him he should ignore that part, and instead maximize his judgment.
I. Shit. You. Not.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 16, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Jesus never told me not to judge, and I therefore deem that statement as whacko.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 17, 2013 at 8:20 am
(August 15, 2013 at 9:00 pm)Faith No More Wrote: What a painful existence.
Makes me wonder what their suicide rate is.
Probably pretty low. Remember, they can't do that, either.
Someone mentioned that for most of them the future hope is not heaven, but an eternity on Earth. To be honest, that always appealed to me. I did not see heavenly existence as all that great. You wandered around on the clouds, told god how awesome he is, and... nothing else. That really didn't seem more attractive than being on Earth, exploring, experimenting, building and inventing things, learning more about the universe, occasionally remembering that god exists, and hanging around with friends, etc etc.
Some people have said that the best way to become an atheist is to read the Bible, or any holy book. I think the second best way is to come to an understanding of the concept of an eternity in heaven.
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RE: The Jehovah's Witness Protection Program
August 20, 2013 at 9:56 am
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I had a JW friend growing up, and every time we celebrated someone's birthday at school he had to leave and went to his grandmother's house nearby. I pretty much always felt sorry for him because it looked like being a JW was no fun, and after reading the 141 rules it would appear that the JW leadership is really afraid of, well, everything out there which isn't strictly supporting the JW faith. I mean, no reading "worldly" books? Can't have a best friend who isn't a JW? Come on.
Of course, I don't fee very sorry for my JW friend these days because I had to unfriend him on facebook. EVERY SINGLE POST he made was some religious crap or bible quote, and I got tired of seeing that every day. It's not like we're close or anything anyway.
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