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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 1:12 am
(September 20, 2013 at 4:57 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 20, 2013 at 4:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: How does a house divided against itself stand, what could Satan possibly accomplish for himself by teaching me the love, peace, compassion, truth and ect. of God through God's Holy Word. How is it to Satan's advantage to teach me about the saving grace of Christ, or pray to God and ask God the creator for advice and help. Seems to me Satan would be shooting himself in the foot, backing his play in a way that would go against him. I for one do not believe a being with the intelligence of Satan would commit such stupid things or even think it would work.
 GC
Except for your worshiping Satan instead of the real god, a god that will burn you in hell for worshiping his enemy.
No I would not, Satan would not teach such things, you're being dumb at this point in the conversation, you just can't stand logic from a Christian can you.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am
(September 21, 2013 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: (September 20, 2013 at 4:57 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Except for your worshiping Satan instead of the real god, a god that will burn you in hell for worshiping his enemy.
No I would not, Satan would not teach such things, you're being dumb at this point in the conversation, you just can't stand logic from a Christian can you.
GC Let me break it down for you. Satan wants you in hell, and if his teaching you said values can convince you that he is god as opposed to the real god why wouldn't he teach you such things if he wants to accomplish such goals. After all his primary goal isn't suffering on earth it is suffering in hell
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am
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(September 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: (September 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have all the reasons in the world to trust scripture, the way you twist scriptures around is dishonest and actually reminds me of Satan's tricks.
GC
WOW! I've never been called Satan before! Neat!
But honestly, GC, I'm not perfect, but I always quote scripture as honestly as I can and in the right context. Maybe you think I'm twisting it because you just don't want to agree with it?
And if you want to see why we think God is evil, just re-read the OT. I'm not quoting or twisting scripture, just suggesting that you take note of how many people are killed by God, and especially FOR God.
I just finished reading the OT and I did not find God killing people for no good reason, He was protecting a nation that He was going to bring His Son through. You have never understood why God conducted His plan as He did. Oh, please do not think so highly of yourself, Satan fooled you just as He did Eve.
GC
(September 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: (September 20, 2013 at 4:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: How does a house divided against itself stand, what could Satan possibly accomplish for himself by teaching me the love, peace, compassion, truth and ect. of God through God's Holy Word. How is it to Satan's advantage to teach me about the saving grace of Christ, or pray to God and ask God the creator for advice and help. Seems to me Satan would be shooting himself in the foot, backing his play in a way that would go against him. I for one do not believe a being with the intelligence of Satan would commit such stupid things or even think it would work.
GC
This is of course assuming the god you believe in is not the one described in the Bible, but you insist that it is. However, this was a decent response. Now prove this good god of yours is real, and then maybe we can continue.
See ya later pal!
(September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (September 21, 2013 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: No I would not, Satan would not teach such things, you're being dumb at this point in the conversation, you just can't stand logic from a Christian can you.
GC Let me break it down for you. Satan wants you in hell, and if his teaching you said values can convince you that he is god as opposed to the real god why wouldn't he teach you such things if he wants to accomplish such goals. After all his primary goal isn't suffering on earth it is suffering in hell
An atheist trying to teach a Christian about spiritual matters concerning God, you should have been a comedian. No you're not smart enough to be a comedian. God would not allow Satan to teach who God is and Satan couldn't do it, he does not have nor understand the nature of God. Evil can not disguise itself as good, there are those such as yourself that would believe evil is good though, and this is what Satan does, deceives people to believe evil is good, and you fell for it.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 2:45 am
(September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am)Godschild Wrote: (September 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: WOW! I've never been called Satan before! Neat!
But honestly, GC, I'm not perfect, but I always quote scripture as honestly as I can and in the right context. Maybe you think I'm twisting it because you just don't want to agree with it?
And if you want to see why we think God is evil, just re-read the OT. I'm not quoting or twisting scripture, just suggesting that you take note of how many people are killed by God, and especially FOR God.
I just finished reading the OT and I did not find God killing people for no good reason, He was protecting a nation that He was going to bring His Son through. You have never understood why God conducted His plan as He did. Oh, please do not think so highly of yourself, Satan fooled you just as He did Eve.
GC
(September 20, 2013 at 5:29 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: This is of course assuming the god you believe in is not the one described in the Bible, but you insist that it is. However, this was a decent response. Now prove this good god of yours is real, and then maybe we can continue.
See ya later pal!
(September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Let me break it down for you. Satan wants you in hell, and if his teaching you said values can convince you that he is god as opposed to the real god why wouldn't he teach you such things if he wants to accomplish such goals. After all his primary goal isn't suffering on earth it is suffering in hell
An atheist trying to teach a Christian about spiritual matters concerning God, you should have been a comedian. No you're not smart enough to be a comedian. God would not allow Satan to teach who God is and Satan couldn't do it, he does not have nor understand the nature of God. Evil can not disguise itself as good, there are those such as yourself that would believe evil is good though, and this is what Satan does, deceives people to believe evil is good, and you fell for it.
GC
Really! What about the man picking up sticks, he deserved to die? Or the people of the midian who sheltered moses? Or the innocent babies killed in the Passover?Or uzziah who simply tried to stop the ark from falling? I know I just had a huge argument in another thread about being respectful to religious folk, but how can you think genocide is okay?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 3:02 am
(September 21, 2013 at 1:19 am)Godschild Wrote: An atheist trying to teach a Christian about spiritual matters concerning God, you should have been a comedian.
We're all reading the same book, GC. And studies show that, on average, atheists are more knowledgeable about its contents than christians. Just saying.
Quote: God would not allow Satan to teach who God is
Except if Satan found some way to stop or destroy god without christians knowing. How would you find out?
I also find it interesting that god won't stop tragedies to avoid tampering in free will, won't stop satan in most respects for the same reason according to some, but will stop him teaching things on earth the moment it becomes convenient... 
Quote: and Satan couldn't do it, he does not have nor understand the nature of God.
Nor does he need to; in this hypothetical, satan's teachings- under the mantle of "god"- are there to get you into hell; they're actually not what god wants at all.
Quote: Evil can not disguise itself as good
Oh, really? Aside from just being a flat assertion, one of the apostles tends to disagree:
"But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be [e]regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.- 2 Corinthians 11"
Quote:, there are those such as yourself that would believe evil is good though, and this is what Satan does, deceives people to believe evil is good, and you fell for it.
GC
And how do you know you aren't being deceived right now? That's the question: all you've proved with this post is that it's a successful deception if it is one. Remember, what's being questioned here isn't the contents of your beliefs- we already know what you believe- but the source of them. Everything you've said here could just be the satan party line, you've given us no reason to think that you aren't being deceived so completely that you think it's true.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 3:08 am
You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
but you can't fool all of the people, all of time.
Question:
How can we possibly know that?
If the devil is the good guy and God is the bad guy, but with better PR we would never know.
An evil God - doing bad things but proclaiming them good because he did them rather fits the biblical account.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 3:15 am
(September 21, 2013 at 3:08 am)max-greece Wrote: You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
but you can't fool all of the people, all of time.
Question:
How can we possibly know that?
If the devil is the good guy and God is the bad guy, but with better PR we would never know.
An evil God - doing bad things but proclaiming them good because he did them rather fits the biblical account.
We can know as atheists because we use secular moral standards. For example my morality is based in moral utilitarianism and when I use that standard to measure God then, it does not take long to realize that he is at best a petty tyrant.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 3:58 am
When you look at the old testament god, Lucifer just looks like someone who woke up and fought against oppression and then is vilified. for doing so. Not unlike someone who would go against the status quo and the powers at be today.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 6:37 am
(September 21, 2013 at 3:58 am)gilbertc06 Wrote: When you look at the old testament god, Lucifer just looks like someone who woke up and fought against oppression and then is vilified. for doing so. Not unlike someone who would go against the status quo and the powers at be today. Yes, that horrible oppression of being allowed to do anything you want except to eat the fruit of one particular tree.
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RE: Satan Disproves Christianity
September 21, 2013 at 6:58 am
(September 21, 2013 at 6:37 am)John V Wrote: Yes, that horrible oppression of being allowed to do anything you want except to eat the fruit of one particular tree.
Anything you want?
So, every last sin was morally acceptable before Adam and Eve were cast out?
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