Question for anyone with the knowledge to answer.

[fr0d0]

Joking aside... if you have no choice to do 'bad stuff' in heaven... then that is a limit upon freedom. Not doing 'bad stuff' simply because we can't... means that we don't have the empathy to know the impact of our actions.

That's what I've been saying these last few days Sae. Without liberty there is no choice of morality or immorality. See Pelagius.

Satan as a fallen angel so obviously there's still a choice.

Now go stop spoiling our party!

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Dude, when I am in hell, I'm gonna be all, "On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand. All other ground is sinking sand." Just to piss all the demons off.

Sounds like Friday 13th

[Anonymous]

Okay, so we've cleared up that to get into heaven, one must accept Jesus as our lord and saviour.
I wanted to ask - What of the many people who have never heard of Jesus?
They will all be going to hell because they did not accept Jesus as their lord and saviour.
Can you explain if and how this is false?
Thanks.
-Aiming at Fr0d0...

[fr0d0]

*takes a hit... urgh..

No I think there is a clause in there for those that don't get to hear that. It says something like the innocent will be judged as they were given to understand.

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How interesting that sinking sand is made of solid rocks ^_^

Hold on - the other ground is sinking sand you skitso!

[Secularone]

*takes a hit... urgh..

No I think there is a clause in there for those that don't get to hear that. It says something like the innocent will be judged as they were given to understand.

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How interesting that sinking sand is made of solid rocks ^_^

Hold on - the other ground is sinking sand you skitso!

You think there's a clause? Or you need a clause so you just invented one out of thin air?

[fr0d0]

No it's in there SO. Go read it through for me now will you. I know you loves that stuff.

[Anonymous]

I have to say, i'm not sure I understand. . .
It's not like i'm asking you to go find an answer, but i'm just more curious as to why you wouldn't want to find an answer yourself.
Does anyone know exact "Quote(s)" from the bible that consider this predicament (that has obviously happened to millions, probably billions of people) and can explain what this section means and how it answers my question?
It's a lot to ask, but if one doesn't know, then i'm sure you're curious too.
Thanks.

[Secularone]

No it's in there SO. Go read it through for me now will you. I know you loves that stuff.

Well, if you're so sure it's in there, why don't YOU SHOW ME where it is?
It's dumb to ask me to show you where it isn't!!

[fr0d0]

No I asked you to show where it is.

Firstly, the bible specifically condemns those that hear the message and deny it.

Secondly - I'll look for that verse too

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John 15:22: "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin."

Romans 10:14: "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?"

Romans 2:14-16 "When outsiders who have never heard of God's law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God's law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God's yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God's yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences."

[Anonymous]

Yet we concluded that to get into heaven one must accept Jesus as their lord and saviour. . .
The last paragraph of text contradicts that. Correct me if i'm wrong, but since many babies have died before, during, or not long after birth, they have obviously not accepted Jesus as their lord and saviour.
From our conclusion before, they are considered to be going to hell.
Okay, so now considering this last paragraph of text.
With relation to the babies - they have also not had a life to have had a propper conscience, with decisions that require their moral values to help them. Considering the bible is saying that those who haven't heard of the word of Jesus or the laws of God are considered into heaven based on their decisions in life, how then could they possibly be judged, without a "response to God's yes and no"?

Are there any other verses that may clear this up?
Right now, all I can see from my perspective is just a gap in the bible that should explain (to me what is a considerably big problem) this.
Like i said, correct me if i'm wrong about all this, it's just something I am very curious about and want to learn more.

Thanks.

[Darwinian]

I am new here and I just wanted to ask a few questions that I have had on my mind.
First of these being - (Considering Christian beliefs)

How does one get into heaven?
Does one need to accept Jesus as our lord and saviour to get into Heaven?

Thanks.

No-one has the knowledge to answer these questions and anyone who claims they do is either lying or deluded.

It's the same as asking how one gets into Valhalla or the Halls of Asgard or how you can successfully cross the River Styx.

The answer is that you can't because they aren't real, they are great works of fiction and mythology.