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September 10, 2013 at 8:37 am (This post was last modified: September 10, 2013 at 9:08 am by Drich.)
(September 9, 2013 at 10:06 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 10:21 am)Drich Wrote: then use it.
How if you indeed have a brain can you say any of the things you have asserted above that the bible does not support, and then hold your conclusions from the straw man you have constructed against the God of the bible?
Maybe you should have said you have an imagination, and will illogically use your imaginings to give yourself a reason not to worship God.
You seem to believe that one must agree with what the Bible says in order to correctly understand what it depicts. I shouldn't need to tell you everything that's wrong with this belief.
You do not have to agree with anything I say when talking about the God of the bible, but you are bound by what the bible says when talking about The God Of Th BIBLE.
(September 10, 2013 at 1:03 am)max-greece Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Well, Revelations clearly says 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel. Unless a specific JW is actually an undercover Jew from a given tribe, then there will be no JWs among that 144,000.
Matter of fact I do not think an JWs EVER have to worry about the parking situation in Heaven.
How many captins are there? are you #2 or #3?
So interestingly you don't think JW's get to go to heaven - if I understood the parking jibe.
Yet they follow Jesus do they not?
This doesn't seem to marry very well with many of your other posts.
They follow the teaching of 'Jehovah' (the god over Jesus) and the 'Watch Tower.' When ever the two are in conflict the watch tower trumps the bible. Which makes their worship watch tower centered. Not Christ centered. Anyone who worships the method of worship over God who is to be worshiped, does not meet the the conditions of the greatest Command. That is to Love God with all of our being.
That said can a brother who sits in the pues of a JW church get into Heaven? Absolutly. However if he is in Heaven then he was not a JW. Again our title we assign ourselves mean nothing. God is the one who judges what we are. even, so we do stand a better chance of being judged a 'christian' if we indeed make the outward proclaimation to follow Christ.
(September 10, 2013 at 6:41 am)Brakeman Wrote:
(September 10, 2013 at 1:03 am)max-greece Wrote: So interestingly you don't think JW's get to go to heaven - if I understood the parking jibe.
Yet they follow Jesus do they not?
This doesn't seem to marry very well with many of your other posts.
More than that, they pray and talk to jesus, yet jesus doesn't warn them that they are on the wrong track. To the contrary, jesus warns them against other religious doctrines such a Drich's.
Somebody that talks to jesus wouldn't LIE!
actually Jesus does speak to them as He does with EVERYONE else, through the bible and yet they have elected to worship 'Jehovah' and the watchtower first. (Jehovah being the supreme God over everything including Christ.)
(September 9, 2013 at 1:10 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Christianity is nothing but redefining what it means to be righteous. Not that they'll admit it - I fully expect one to come along and tell me I'm wrong.
Not my problem.
You're right, you're wrong. Righteousness has never changed, it comes through belief. God called Abraham righteous because he believed Him, Christians become righteous because we believe John 3:16, we believe what God says. The Jews of old had to believe God and they would do that through their sacrifices, they believed God would forgive them through the sacrifice. However that belief ie. faith will be shown in the way we live our lives, this is the fruit of belief, wanting to live as righteously as we can for God and not ourselves. So nothing has change with righteousness, belief in what God says He will do is what's required, the only thing that's changed is who makes the sacrifice. Acceptance of Christ's sacrifice for us, or to be your own sacrifice by the law, live up to it every dot and tittle and you will be found righteous before God without acceptance of Christ. I can say that no one here will be able to do that because they've broken at the least the dot and tittle.
GC
Which makes your fictional god as depicted in that comic book a selfish narcissistic prick. Yea, he will do what is required, for him. Because it is all about kissing his ass. If you like worshiping a dictator, be my guest, I dont. Especially not fictional ones.
September 10, 2013 at 9:43 pm (This post was last modified: September 10, 2013 at 9:52 pm by Godscreated.)
(September 10, 2013 at 11:48 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 6:05 pm)Godschild Wrote:
You're right, you're wrong. Righteousness has never changed, it comes through belief. God called Abraham righteous because he believed Him, Christians become righteous because we believe John 3:16, we believe what God says. The Jews of old had to believe God and they would do that through their sacrifices, they believed God would forgive them through the sacrifice. However that belief ie. faith will be shown in the way we live our lives, this is the fruit of belief, wanting to live as righteously as we can for God and not ourselves. So nothing has change with righteousness, belief in what God says He will do is what's required, the only thing that's changed is who makes the sacrifice. Acceptance of Christ's sacrifice for us, or to be your own sacrifice by the law, live up to it every dot and tittle and you will be found righteous before God without acceptance of Christ. I can say that no one here will be able to do that because they've broken at the least the dot and tittle.
GC
Which makes your fictional god as depicted in that comic book a selfish narcissistic prick. Yea, he will do what is required, for him. Because it is all about kissing his ass. If you like worshiping a dictator, be my guest, I dont. Especially not fictional ones.
I will love and worship Him till my days on earth end and then throughout eternity, I will also enjoy the mansion that awaits me, I think hell is pretty much hard ground and extremely dark and I've heard they do not serve breakfast down there either.
GC
(September 10, 2013 at 12:50 am)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 9:53 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Christ came to bring salvation to the whole world, isn't this one of your desires from God. Another is God would judge your life if you do not want to believe in Christ, that's exactly what He will do so now another of your desires of God have been met. I personally chose Christ as the sacrifice for my sin. For those who do not choose Christ they will become their own sacrifice, and if you do not measure up to God's standard .... well just consider, you put yourself up as the sacrifice when you reject Christ.
GC
John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Mark 6:11: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
So, basically, believe in Jesus or be damned. If your city doesn't believe in Christ than they're going to be pulverized. That is your worldwide salvation from Christ? That has nothing to do with judging me for my actions instead of my beliefs. That is "selective salvation" to coin a new term. It is favoritism. If you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, you will suffer for all eternity, there is no standard to meet. You can be the Dalai Lama, it doesn't matter. No Christian faith = no salvation. That is unfair, and just a tad evil. Okay, really evil.
GC, you're a good man, but you rarely seem to look at the facts, and instead just go by what you believe, not what you know. Back up your statements. I know it's hard to defend a tyrant, but you can do it!
You do not have to believe in Christ to be in heaven, one only has to live a sinless life. What is God's requirement to enter heaven, being sinless, if one remains sinless God can not send one to hell, it would be against His nature.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(September 10, 2013 at 9:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: You do not have to believe in Christ to be in heaven, one only has to live a sinless life. What is God's requirement to enter heaven, being sinless, if one remains sinless God can not send one to hell, it would be against His nature.
(September 8, 2013 at 10:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: Jesus came to the Jewish people first, then the message was brought to Gentiles. The Gentiles responded to a much greater degree, they were the ones that did not know the Jewish God, yet they were willing to accept the Good News Christ brought to the world. There are many Jewish Christians and they understand that the Jews who do not accept Christ will not spend eternity in heaven. They know God down through history has been revealing His plan of salvation, it really should not have come as a surprise to anyone.
(September 9, 2013 at 7:00 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: I don't believe that any one people has discovered the "True" God, if there is one. I can't say that there is one, and I can't say that there isn't. But if a truly omniscient, omnipotent God existed, he would be perfectly loving and just. Therefore, he would judge me on my actions and character, not what my beliefs are. And using that frame of mind, every man, woman and child has a chance at Heaven, and not just those that believe in a God from a small tribe in Palestine.
If you only believe in the God of the Bible, you forsake the majority of the Earth, and cannot possibly be right.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong, too? Unfortunately, there is no way to test who is right and know for sure. But logic and reasoning is the better bet, IMO, not blind faith.
Quote:I can't say that there is one, and I can't say that there isn't.
Sure you can. Does the naked assertion that a invisible non material magical super brain with no body, no brain, no neurons, no location make any sense to you?
It makes much more sense to me that humans make up gods as a reflection of their own personal desires. It is a childish narcissism.
(October 19, 2013 at 12:03 pm)Dolphins are the best Wrote: There is no such thing as hell. Only "Children" and "morons" believe in such a thing... you SHOULD know better!!
Bbbut Drich and Godschild says there is a hell. They're sure of it, jesus told them first hand. Would they lie? I think they were on their knees in front of him at the time, so maybe the info was confused in the "heat of the moment."
(of course I don't think hell is real, read the text beside my avatar. I'm an atheist)
GC
