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September 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm (This post was last modified: September 9, 2013 at 1:17 pm by Mystical.)
Aractus why exactly don't you believe the Bible is the unerring word of god? It says it is, after all. And it says to follow it or you will go to hell. From what I have ascertained, these three specific theists I've identified are perfectly justified in their beliefs based on their infallible direct communications with the creator of all the universe *and beyond.
My qualm isn't specifically the things written in the Bible because they sound a lot like they were written by man and as we both know, it was written by men. My own mother believes so, and follows the god of love she believes exists and I certainly don't accuse her of anything. You know why?
Because she doesn't A. Tell me I'm going to Hell, or B. Defend such quackery as being the unerring word of GOD. I'm talking about people who defend moral murder in the name of God and are willing to submit to such a creature their morality and loyalty down to their core beliefs which influence their actions.
Did I specifically name you or something in my post? If not, then don't tell me that I'm telling you what you believe.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
(September 8, 2013 at 9:45 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Hey GC, thanks for stopping by!
THEBIBLE Wrote:Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Tell me something, why do you keep bring up these above ^ verses I've already explained and no one has argued the explanation. Again, I say if you were in church you could not have been listening to teachings and why do I say this, because you do not listen here, all you know how to do is go to atheist sights and copy verses, or say I've not read the scriptures, sad, really sad.
Quote:Leviticus 20:9
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.
You apparently have no idea what God was trying to accomplish with His chosen people, until you can come to this understanding you will never understand the OT. Nevertheless I'm going to explain this to you this time only, so if you want to throw out this verses again I'll just ignore you because of your ignorance.
The word curse in Lev. 20:9 is expounded upon in Deut. 21:18-21. The full meaning of the Lev. 20:9 is found in the verses in Deut. So now all you need to do is find the explanation I've given in the past and you'll have it.
Quote:2 Kings 2:23-24
He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
Oh boy, how ridiculous. Just to show you I'll give the effort, I went and looked up the Hebrew for tore and it does not indicate death, nor does any of the other translations of those verses I reviewed. Now that we have that out of the way let's examine the verses, those boys were not only mocking Elisha but, God as well. We know these boys came from Bethel which at the time was the center of pagan idol worship in Israel the Northern Kingdom. These boys were telling Elisha not to come to Bethel and bring God's word because no one there wanted to hear it. So God punished those boys for their mockery and rejection of His prophet and His word.
Quote:Oh, and then there's these.. But I'm sure you just read right over those or who knows.. Maybe you liked it.
THEBIBLE Wrote:
Psalm 137
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalms 21:9-10
If you make God angry, he'll burn you and your children to death.
Psalms 2:8-9
If you ask God, he'll force heathens to be your slaves and help you "dash them in pieces."
Psalms
The God of peace teaches us how to kill our neighbors in war.
3:7 Arise, O LORD; save me, O my God: for thou hast smitten all mine enemies upon the cheek bone; thou hast broken the teeth of the ungodly.
18:40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me. (18:40-43)
God helps believers kill their enemies.
(18:40) "Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me."
(18:41) "They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not."
Can God be found?
(18:42) "I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets."
(18:43) "Thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me."
18:41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.
18:42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.
18:43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.
21:8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.
(21:9-10) "Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men."
21:12 Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them.
58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD
58:7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.
59:10 The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies.
68:21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.
68:23 That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same.
101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land; that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the LORD.
44:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
49:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. (149:5-8)
The saints praise God while they kill and enslave "the heathen."
(149:5) "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds."
(149:6) "Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand."
(149:7) "To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people."
(149:8) "To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron."
149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
149:8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
Numbers
25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
25:5 And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor.
25:6 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
25:7 And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
25:8 And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.
25:10 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
25:11 Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy.
25:12 Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:
25:13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.
You pick them out two at a time and I'll try and explain each one, if you do not then that's fine. I'm not sitting here and going through all of them and making a ridiculously long post. Besides I do not have that kind of time, it will be much easier to do two at a time.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(September 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Aractus why exactly don't you believe the Bible is the unerring word of god? It says it is, after all. And it says to follow it or you will go to hell. ...
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(September 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Aractus why exactly don't you believe the Bible is the unerring word of god? It says it is, after all. And it says to follow it or you will go to hell. ...
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Proof of claim?
Why do you need proof for this? If you don't read the Bible anyway, then why the fuck do you care, troll fish?
(September 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:
(September 9, 2013 at 6:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Proof of claim?
Why do you need proof for this? If you don't read the Bible anyway, then why the fuck do you care, troll fish?
Why do you constantly respond to posts not addressed to you?
Do you have proof of her claim? If not, then you can fuck off because you're full of fluff and zero substance.
(September 9, 2013 at 6:10 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I'm calling you out for trolling, you worthless piece of shit. If you don't like people butting in, then use a PM, otherwise you can suck it, moron.
Right.....
I see you didn't offer any proof of her claim.
Predictable crybabies, you know what you can do...