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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 1, 2014 at 10:52 am
(March 1, 2014 at 3:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Perhaps perfection is the built in flaw.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 1, 2014 at 8:39 pm
(February 28, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Luckie Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 3:15 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Salvation isn't a delayed promise, it's immediate. Your sins are forgiven. Passed over as if you didn't do them. Now. This minute. Immediately. You are no longer separated from God : in Hell, dead. Not dead in the future. Dead now this minute, as a result of your separation. "Life eternal" is immediate, and momentary. If it wasn't how is it possible to sin after being saved, ...."Sin" also being separated from God? How it it possible to lose salvation, To no longer believe? Hell/ death/ separation from God/ punishment are an immediate result of sin. Life/ salvation/ forgiveness of sin are likewise immediate.
The bible is inspired by God. It isn't written by God. It's Gods word. It is potentially errant, bit this far not proven to be errant. No one on this forum or anywhere else has ever successfully challenged it. It would be a lie to say they had.
"Eternal" it's an inaccurate translation of the source. It is more accurately translated as "a very long time". "God will bring all things to himself". Death cannot defeat God.
So that's why the priests feel free to do whatever they want to little boys. They were saved. Immediately. Anything they do from then on, is just .... covered in Christs' blood.
Is that what you're saying Fr0d0? That any sins anyone makes after accepting Jesus as the son of god as a sacrifice for sins, are non-sins? Don't matter? They'll still get to go to heaven?
Just wanted to make sure you were ignoring me and didn't just miss my reply
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 1, 2014 at 8:40 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, you are sick by your own imperfection > needy of God. That's how it works.
Indeed, that's how it works - in much the same way that your being infested by microscopic space pixies does. And it just so happens I can sell you the cure.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 1, 2014 at 9:01 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 4:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: You would need to have a cogent point to see at all, Frods. You don't.
Another one of Fr0d0's ridiculous beliefs is that simply asserting that he has won a debate enough times will actually win him the debate.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 1, 2014 at 9:32 pm
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(March 1, 2014 at 8:39 pm)Luckie Wrote: (February 28, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Luckie Wrote: So that's why the priests feel free to do whatever they want to little boys. They were saved. Immediately. Anything they do from then on, is just .... covered in Christs' blood.
Is that what you're saying Fr0d0? That any sins anyone makes after accepting Jesus as the son of god as a sacrifice for sins, are non-sins? Don't matter? They'll still get to go to heaven?
Just wanted to make sure you were ignoring me and didn't just miss my reply
I'm so sorry Missy I did miss that! Here I was waiting patiently for it!
It is absolutely not the case that a psychopath could claim forgiveness and then do anything bad and be forgiven. I think that must be in frost gods realm. As soon as you do bad you separate yourself from God. Hell is yours, until you can reconcile yourself again.
Unlike in this world, ultimate justice cannot be fooled.
(March 1, 2014 at 8:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes, you are sick by your own imperfection > needy of God. That's how it works.
Indeed, that's how it works - in much the same way that your being infested by microscopic space pixies does. And it just so happens I can sell you the cure.
That's funny as we're talking about actual ailnesses. Maybe you've lost the ability to tell the difference.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 2, 2014 at 4:58 am
(March 1, 2014 at 9:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That's funny as we're talking about actual ailnesses. Maybe you've lost the ability to tell the difference.
... Ailments. 
More importantly, are we talking about actual ailments, or ones from the bizarre fantasy world that you're drawing your god from?
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 2, 2014 at 5:13 am
Weird autocorrect.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 2, 2014 at 5:23 am
Ah, osas vs nosas. Grand old chestnut.
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 2, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Autocorrect doesn't correct to fake words...unless what you're doing is bemoaning autocorrect for not fixing your mistake. 
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RE: A small thanks to the resident Theists..
March 3, 2014 at 3:11 am
I have yet to see clear Biblical evidence for your version of hell, fr0d0. I've presented my case for the fiery eternal hell.
Have you gone to each of the verses I quoted and made sure they said aeonian? Secondly, does it even matter if its finite or infinite brimstone? I don't think so.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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